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Please, RJ would do as he always had and immediately RAFOd a question like that darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 29/05/2010 02:26:10 PM
RJ probably considered the questioner here very clever, because - contrary to the usual, lame "Who killed Asmodean"-question - he boldly naturally assumed in his question that Slayer obviously killed Asmo. Thus, he just asked if Slayer took Asmo to TAR, when he was still alive or after his death. RJ didn't answer with his typical RAFO, but was kind of challenged to counter with a similarly clever question or rebuttal to not give too much away.

In my view, that doesn't kill Slayerdunnit. On the contrary, it leaves the possibility open that Slayer did take Asmo with him to TAR, as I think he did.


It's clear he was presented with something he never considered!
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An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds - 27/05/2010 12:12:50 PM 2846 Views
I hate to say it, as I love this mystery.... - 27/05/2010 03:01:08 PM 1529 Views
Surely, there can never be enough Asmo threads! *NM* - 27/05/2010 04:18:06 PM 823 Views
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very well said *NM* - 27/05/2010 04:19:10 PM 854 Views
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Bah, hogwash! - 27/05/2010 05:17:37 PM 1291 Views
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The point is... - 28/05/2010 08:38:49 AM 1382 Views
Yes, but Fain is a far cry from your average non-channeler - 28/05/2010 12:01:44 PM 1427 Views
As is Slayer - 28/05/2010 12:25:07 PM 1311 Views
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Yeah right... - 27/05/2010 08:35:35 PM 1378 Views
See my replies above. *NM* - 28/05/2010 08:40:42 AM 1167 Views
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See my repy to DomA. *NM* - 28/05/2010 08:39:15 AM 1138 Views
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We often see... - 27/05/2010 05:33:19 PM 1329 Views
I just keep coming back to Slayer needs wild explanations while Graendal is more obvious - 27/05/2010 05:52:13 PM 1415 Views
Ok, as we said in the other thread, let's RAFO! *NM* - 27/05/2010 05:57:49 PM 1417 Views
Agreed *NM* - 27/05/2010 06:03:51 PM 771 Views
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Well... - 28/05/2010 10:19:46 AM 1338 Views
Re: Well... - 28/05/2010 12:20:15 PM 1348 Views
I adressed the points regarding the Fain-comparsion above - 28/05/2010 12:35:08 PM 1253 Views
your Slayer theory is ridiculously complex! - 28/05/2010 12:37:08 PM 1318 Views
It just requires to combine some clues from the first 5 books & some common sense - 28/05/2010 12:44:10 PM 1279 Views
common sense? - 28/05/2010 12:51:25 PM 1274 Views
See my posts above. *NM* - 28/05/2010 02:50:56 PM 1289 Views
Re: Well... - 28/05/2010 02:27:40 PM 1446 Views
No... - 28/05/2010 03:04:41 PM 1333 Views
let's try this another way - 28/05/2010 03:14:07 PM 1334 Views
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Graendal has a pretty significant role in TFoH - 28/05/2010 06:54:39 PM 1354 Views
Re: The main problem with Graendal is... - 28/05/2010 09:20:27 PM 1402 Views
my first thought was it was Sammael or Graendal. Come LoC it was clear to me that it was Graendal. - 28/05/2010 09:44:38 PM 1481 Views
RJ used the expression... - 29/05/2010 08:17:08 AM 1254 Views
be careful ... your stretching far enough you might hurt yourself - 29/05/2010 01:12:29 PM 1377 Views
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Couple of questions - 27/05/2010 09:53:05 PM 1341 Views
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Hmmm - 27/05/2010 10:27:55 PM 1301 Views
Re: Hmmm - 27/05/2010 10:34:30 PM 1169 Views
I don't think you can actually cut BF weaves - 27/05/2010 10:45:34 PM 1204 Views
Hmmm I wonder about that. - 27/05/2010 10:58:46 PM 1283 Views
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We've seen it done. - 28/05/2010 06:32:08 PM 1203 Views
Not the same thing - 28/05/2010 07:00:13 PM 1221 Views
Re: Couple of questions - 28/05/2010 03:29:29 PM 1361 Views
As said... - 28/05/2010 08:36:28 AM 1302 Views
Of course you do. Trying to deny it is just silly. Everyone knows your bias. *NM* - 27/05/2010 08:43:18 PM 665 Views
No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too - 27/05/2010 09:08:48 PM 1315 Views
Re: No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too - 28/05/2010 08:25:46 AM 1299 Views
But look... - 28/05/2010 09:01:12 AM 1307 Views
if there are clues in TFoH I find it hard to believe that Slayer is involved - 28/05/2010 12:29:40 PM 1228 Views
The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course - 28/05/2010 12:32:13 PM 1282 Views
Re: The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course - 28/05/2010 12:35:22 PM 1313 Views
RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* - 28/05/2010 12:40:23 PM 1342 Views
Re: RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* - 28/05/2010 12:52:30 PM 1210 Views
Yeah, I know. *NM* - 28/05/2010 02:51:32 PM 1283 Views
??? - 28/05/2010 02:19:17 PM 1248 Views
Of course RJ implied that. You should read his quotes about Asmo! *NM* - 28/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 1286 Views
Here is what RJ said EDIT - 28/05/2010 03:29:19 PM 1069 Views
Indeed - 28/05/2010 05:18:35 PM 1203 Views
Re: Indeed - 28/05/2010 05:26:38 PM 1197 Views
LOL!! - 28/05/2010 03:29:35 PM 1025 Views
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Re: Far-fetched, IMO - 02/06/2010 07:34:58 PM 1392 Views
Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? *NM* - 02/06/2010 11:13:04 PM 785 Views
Re: Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? - 19/06/2010 12:59:54 AM 1088 Views
Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken - 19/06/2010 03:30:37 AM 1297 Views
Re: Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken - 24/06/2010 09:03:18 AM 1522 Views
The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book - 26/06/2010 02:32:26 PM 1020 Views
Re: The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book - 01/07/2010 10:13:53 PM 1537 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds - 27/05/2010 06:19:18 PM 1230 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds - 27/05/2010 09:16:21 PM 1234 Views
Lanfear killed Asmo..... - 28/05/2010 05:05:55 AM 1205 Views
Doesn't make sense - 28/05/2010 11:09:14 AM 1248 Views
Sorry, Lanfear did it..... - 29/05/2010 03:47:44 AM 1155 Views
Death is Moridin "when death took him"; need I say more *NM* - 28/05/2010 10:07:14 AM 799 Views
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I think I found an RJ quote that kills the Slayer theory - 29/05/2010 01:57:20 PM 1233 Views
If Slayer is actually the killer... - 29/05/2010 02:20:32 PM 1269 Views
Please, RJ would do as he always had and immediately RAFOd a question like that - 29/05/2010 02:26:10 PM 1233 Views
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yet he never gave an answer like this one - 29/05/2010 02:57:35 PM 1314 Views
Again... - 29/05/2010 03:09:06 PM 1328 Views
Taking things NO - 29/05/2010 03:12:24 PM 1286 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. - 06/06/2010 05:44:05 AM 1115 Views
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But Slayer could have met Asmo, when he was killed.. *NM* - 06/06/2010 01:06:01 PM 1179 Views
Directly contradicts what RJ said "they did not meet in the books" - 06/06/2010 02:51:50 PM 1165 Views
Not "before" the murder. *NM* - 06/06/2010 06:03:34 PM 1171 Views
Re: Not "before" the murder. *NM* - 06/06/2010 10:25:16 PM 1127 Views
He answers the question, if they met "before" the murder. *NM* - 07/06/2010 07:18:50 AM 770 Views
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it's nearly as simplistic as knowing Graendal did it - 07/06/2010 12:48:42 PM 1222 Views
Compilation of the clues I could find on Slayer and Graendal - 29/05/2010 04:26:58 PM 1404 Views
I think Asmo's killer was as surprised as he. - 29/05/2010 09:26:03 PM 1248 Views
That's what I've always thought as well. - 29/05/2010 10:06:56 PM 1178 Views
That's always been my theory too - 29/05/2010 10:18:30 PM 1277 Views
*nods* - 29/05/2010 11:23:18 PM 1290 Views
Re: That's always been my theory too - 30/05/2010 07:35:50 AM 1196 Views
You know, there's no direct proof suggesting that Asmo's killer was "surprised"..... - 01/06/2010 04:04:56 AM 1173 Views
That's why I said "I think" and offered my opinion. - 01/06/2010 09:46:09 PM 1208 Views
except the Author said it was a murder of opportunity - 01/06/2010 11:13:14 PM 1194 Views
That is simply false. - 02/06/2010 10:00:27 AM 1264 Views
RJ stated it was a murder of opportunity ... I never said "only" - 02/06/2010 11:49:23 AM 1346 Views
Of course, it is false - 02/06/2010 12:13:11 PM 1247 Views
Here are the quotes - 02/06/2010 12:39:29 PM 1183 Views
As said, those quotes simply don't support that the murder was basically just an unplanned accident. *NM* - 02/06/2010 02:14:29 PM 768 Views
I disagree. It's pretty much black and white that the opportunity/timing is the key factor to - 02/06/2010 02:39:03 PM 1109 Views
Actually I like it because it fits Slayer better than Graendal, as pointed out. *NM* - 02/06/2010 02:51:24 PM 640 Views
that makes no sense at all *NM* - 02/06/2010 02:53:28 PM 827 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. - 06/06/2010 05:47:13 AM 1249 Views
Well... - 06/06/2010 10:46:13 AM 1227 Views
Logic - 06/06/2010 02:53:27 PM 1197 Views
You're falling into Etzelian logic there... - 06/06/2010 03:25:30 PM 1196 Views
I'm just being a smartass *NM* - 06/06/2010 03:36:00 PM 802 Views
It's good that Etzel sticks to his guns - 06/06/2010 04:42:01 PM 1302 Views
OMG, Taim and Mesaana were getting it on in the pantry - 06/06/2010 09:49:57 PM 1181 Views
That reminds me... - 19/06/2010 04:46:58 AM 1202 Views
That's not anyone's logic, this argument is simply utter nonsense. *NM* - 07/06/2010 12:08:05 PM 1239 Views
just like thinking Slayer was the killer is - 07/06/2010 12:09:34 PM 1191 Views
Yeah... - 07/06/2010 12:21:31 PM 1293 Views
thinking the top assassin killed someone when it's been stated over and over - 07/06/2010 12:56:48 PM 1242 Views
Those quotes pretty much show that Graendal is careful... *NM* - 07/06/2010 01:03:26 PM 1518 Views
No they show that she is deliberate! - 07/06/2010 01:12:29 PM 1274 Views
That are just semantics - 07/06/2010 01:36:12 PM 1332 Views
and you think it's obvious that Slayer was the premier Shadow assassin prior to WH? - 07/06/2010 02:06:47 PM 1213 Views
As I explained you several times, I can see why RJ thought it is obvious, yes... - 07/06/2010 02:17:01 PM 1212 Views
Why wouldn't Graendal head to Caemlyn at that point? - 07/06/2010 02:36:24 PM 1266 Views
And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? - 07/06/2010 02:54:33 PM 1307 Views
Re: And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? - 07/06/2010 03:01:14 PM 1271 Views
You should re-read the scene where Moghedien tells Nynaeve about it... - 07/06/2010 03:12:55 PM 1339 Views
That's a different thing than Moghedien saying the plan was canceled - 07/06/2010 03:15:32 PM 1354 Views
That is essentially what Moghedien said. - 07/06/2010 03:33:35 PM 1100 Views
um no it's not - 07/06/2010 04:17:04 PM 1198 Views
It's told after that... - 07/06/2010 04:46:31 PM 1155 Views
No it doesn't. It tells us that Rahvin, just like all the others had a side plan in place - 07/06/2010 04:55:43 PM 1301 Views
Yeah... - 07/06/2010 05:17:59 PM 1224 Views
Funny I feel the same way you do ... - 07/06/2010 05:25:48 PM 1235 Views
Ah, whatever... - 07/06/2010 05:35:22 PM 1168 Views
We are on the exact same page - 07/06/2010 05:42:48 PM 1199 Views
Re: We are on the exact same page - 07/06/2010 05:52:37 PM 1300 Views
LMAO - 07/06/2010 06:07:16 PM 1652 Views
I promised Etzel long ago... - 19/06/2010 04:49:11 AM 1209 Views

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