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Why wouldn't Graendal head to Caemlyn at that point? darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 07/06/2010 02:36:24 PM
Graendal was never supposed to be in Caemlyn. The original plan was apparently to lure Rand to Sammael in Illian, where the other Forsaken would wait to take Rand. But this plan failed, because Rand attacked Rahvin instead.


the plan was to gang up on Rand when he attacked... sure they had planned to do it in Illian, but when that failed and he ran off to Caemlyn she could have as easily went there to complete the plan.

Your rational for thinking Slayer was an assassin all come from later books.
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An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds Etzel - 27/05/2010 12:12:50 PM 2604 Views
I hate to say it, as I love this mystery.... GateKeeper - 27/05/2010 03:01:08 PM 1347 Views
Surely, there can never be enough Asmo threads! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:18:06 PM 730 Views
I have a theory on the killer that doesn't involve Slayer... FanEditor10 - 28/05/2010 03:41:23 AM 1150 Views
It's not really obvious... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:08:27 AM 1088 Views
In addition to Etzel's comments newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:08:45 PM 1000 Views
I'm pretty sure the Myrdraal that killed Caradin's family was a Proto-version of SH *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:56:58 PM 654 Views
Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/05/2010 04:40:15 PM 618 Views
Re: Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 09:16:01 PM 1150 Views
Far-fetched, IMO DomA - 27/05/2010 04:01:05 PM 1443 Views
very well said *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 04:19:10 PM 751 Views
I don't want Slayer to be the killer Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:33:06 PM 1134 Views
The way you twist things, it certainly seems so! fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 05:07:22 PM 1230 Views
Bah, hogwash! Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:17:37 PM 1100 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! DomA - 27/05/2010 08:14:16 PM 1140 Views
The point is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:38:49 AM 1175 Views
Yes, but Fain is a far cry from your average non-channeler darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:01:44 PM 1228 Views
As is Slayer Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:25:07 PM 1082 Views
There is no evidence of this at all darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:32:37 PM 1061 Views
Yeah, the evil guys don't manage to harm the good guys Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:38:57 PM 1036 Views
so far we've seen Slayer kill a sleeping guy and his wife darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:45:14 PM 1060 Views
I disagree. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:50:02 PM 1175 Views
You always twist the quotes to make them say what Jordan didn't intend to say.... DomA - 28/05/2010 02:20:09 PM 1129 Views
I think this is your interpretation Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:14 PM 1075 Views
Yeah right... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 08:35:35 PM 1162 Views
See my replies above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:40:42 AM 956 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:28:16 AM 953 Views
See my repy to DomA. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:39:15 AM 924 Views
None of this explains how Slayer had opportunity that others didn't darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:12:48 PM 1275 Views
We often see... Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:33:19 PM 1134 Views
I just keep coming back to Slayer needs wild explanations while Graendal is more obvious darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:52:13 PM 1210 Views
Ok, as we said in the other thread, let's RAFO! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:57:49 PM 1225 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:03:51 PM 678 Views
Indeed Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:39:14 AM 1064 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:19:46 AM 1122 Views
Re: Well... darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:20:15 PM 1128 Views
I adressed the points regarding the Fain-comparsion above Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:35:08 PM 1068 Views
your Slayer theory is ridiculously complex! darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:37:08 PM 1119 Views
It just requires to combine some clues from the first 5 books & some common sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:44:10 PM 1060 Views
common sense? darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:51:25 PM 1073 Views
See my posts above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:56 PM 1090 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:27:40 PM 1233 Views
No... Etzel - 28/05/2010 03:04:41 PM 1152 Views
let's try this another way darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:14:07 PM 1142 Views
The main problem with Graendal is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:31:09 PM 1065 Views
Graendal has a pretty significant role in TFoH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 06:54:39 PM 1135 Views
Re: The main problem with Graendal is... DomA - 28/05/2010 09:20:27 PM 1205 Views
my first thought was it was Sammael or Graendal. Come LoC it was clear to me that it was Graendal. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:44:38 PM 1266 Views
RJ used the expression... Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:17:08 AM 1048 Views
be careful ... your stretching far enough you might hurt yourself darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:12:29 PM 1156 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:38:49 PM 1027 Views
Re: I don't want Slayer to be the killer DomA - 27/05/2010 07:47:40 PM 1098 Views
Couple of questions scalius - 27/05/2010 09:53:05 PM 1127 Views
Be'lal managed to get out NO! darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:08:33 PM 978 Views
Hmmm scalius - 27/05/2010 10:27:55 PM 1102 Views
Re: Hmmm RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:34:30 PM 991 Views
I don't think you can actually cut BF weaves darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:45:34 PM 1015 Views
Hmmm I wonder about that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:58:46 PM 1068 Views
I think it would be impossible for someone to react that quickly darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:13:01 PM 1165 Views
We've seen it done. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/05/2010 06:32:08 PM 1014 Views
Not the same thing darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:00:13 PM 991 Views
Re: Couple of questions DomA - 28/05/2010 03:29:29 PM 1159 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:36:28 AM 1107 Views
Of course you do. Trying to deny it is just silly. Everyone knows your bias. *NM* Tom - 27/05/2010 08:43:18 PM 566 Views
No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Etzel - 27/05/2010 09:08:48 PM 1119 Views
Re: No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:25:46 AM 1103 Views
But look... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:01:12 AM 1125 Views
if there are clues in TFoH I find it hard to believe that Slayer is involved darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:29:40 PM 1024 Views
The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:32:13 PM 1093 Views
Re: The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:35:22 PM 1097 Views
RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:40:23 PM 1150 Views
Re: RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:52:30 PM 1013 Views
Yeah, I know. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:51:32 PM 1087 Views
Yet Slayer is no where to be seen between his vanishing after TSR and the start of WH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:09:44 PM 1100 Views
??? Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:19:17 PM 1060 Views
Of course RJ implied that. You should read his quotes about Asmo! *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 1082 Views
Here is what RJ said EDIT darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:29:19 PM 857 Views
Indeed Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:18:35 PM 1018 Views
Re: Indeed darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 05:26:38 PM 986 Views
But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:33:02 PM 1036 Views
Re: But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:05:27 PM 1010 Views
LOL!! Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:29:35 PM 826 Views
Too much? Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:16:44 PM 1082 Views
Re: Far-fetched, IMO saidarisnowtainted - 02/06/2010 07:34:58 PM 1203 Views
Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:13:04 PM 686 Views
Re: Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? saidarisnowtainted - 19/06/2010 12:59:54 AM 909 Views
Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken darius_sedai - 19/06/2010 03:30:37 AM 1113 Views
Re: Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken saidarisnowtainted - 24/06/2010 09:03:18 AM 1314 Views
The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book darius_sedai - 26/06/2010 02:32:26 PM 821 Views
Re: The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book saidarisnowtainted - 01/07/2010 10:13:53 PM 1244 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:19:18 PM 1034 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds DomA - 27/05/2010 09:16:21 PM 1046 Views
Lanfear killed Asmo..... trzaska2000 - 28/05/2010 05:05:55 AM 1007 Views
Doesn't make sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 11:09:14 AM 1050 Views
Sorry, Lanfear did it..... trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:47:44 AM 978 Views
Considering that RJ didn't even necessarily want to reveal it, it was pretty random, yeah. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:25:54 AM 645 Views
Death is Moridin "when death took him"; need I say more *NM* Knightscape - 28/05/2010 10:07:14 AM 688 Views
There is a quote that refutes this... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:22:12 AM 1090 Views
He could have recognized Moridan.....due to the True Power in his eyes. trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:49:49 AM 1035 Views
No other Forsaken immediately recognizes Moridin as Ishy because of the saa. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:26:44 AM 651 Views
RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 08:55:01 PM 1114 Views
Re: RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever *NM* newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:24:41 PM 741 Views
I think I found an RJ quote that kills the Slayer theory darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:57:20 PM 995 Views
If Slayer is actually the killer... Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:20:32 PM 1072 Views
Please, RJ would do as he always had and immediately RAFOd a question like that darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:26:10 PM 1038 Views
Well, I don't think so. Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:43:28 PM 1059 Views
yet he never gave an answer like this one darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:57:35 PM 1128 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/05/2010 03:09:06 PM 1124 Views
Taking things NO darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 03:12:24 PM 1096 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:44:05 AM 933 Views
If Slayer never met Asmo in the books he could not have killed him darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 12:46:40 PM 935 Views
But Slayer could have met Asmo, when he was killed.. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 01:06:01 PM 990 Views
Directly contradicts what RJ said "they did not meet in the books" darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:51:50 PM 944 Views
Not "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 06:03:34 PM 985 Views
Re: Not "before" the murder. *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 10:25:16 PM 944 Views
He answers the question, if they met "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 07:18:50 AM 676 Views
not if it didn't happen in the books darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:08:34 PM 879 Views
I'm relieved then... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:13:58 PM 884 Views
it's nearly as simplistic as knowing Graendal did it darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:48:42 PM 1018 Views
Compilation of the clues I could find on Slayer and Graendal darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 04:26:58 PM 1118 Views
I think Asmo's killer was as surprised as he. TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:26:03 PM 1059 Views
That's what I've always thought as well. Seriana Sedai - 29/05/2010 10:06:56 PM 984 Views
That's always been my theory too Sidious - 29/05/2010 10:18:30 PM 1089 Views
*nods* darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 11:23:18 PM 1104 Views
Re: That's always been my theory too Seriana Sedai - 30/05/2010 07:35:50 AM 1019 Views
You know, there's no direct proof suggesting that Asmo's killer was "surprised"..... trzaska2000 - 01/06/2010 04:04:56 AM 970 Views
That's why I said "I think" and offered my opinion. TaskmasterJack - 01/06/2010 09:46:09 PM 1019 Views
except the Author said it was a murder of opportunity darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 11:13:14 PM 1004 Views
That is simply false. Etzel - 02/06/2010 10:00:27 AM 1063 Views
RJ stated it was a murder of opportunity ... I never said "only" darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:49:23 AM 1112 Views
Of course, it is false Etzel - 02/06/2010 12:13:11 PM 1034 Views
Here are the quotes darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 12:39:29 PM 963 Views
As said, those quotes simply don't support that the murder was basically just an unplanned accident. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:14:29 PM 674 Views
I disagree. It's pretty much black and white that the opportunity/timing is the key factor to darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:39:03 PM 899 Views
Actually I like it because it fits Slayer better than Graendal, as pointed out. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:51:24 PM 534 Views
that makes no sense at all *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:53:28 PM 725 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:47:13 AM 1063 Views
Well... Etzel - 06/06/2010 10:46:13 AM 1058 Views
Logic darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:53:27 PM 1020 Views
You're falling into Etzelian logic there... DomA - 06/06/2010 03:25:30 PM 1015 Views
I'm just being a smartass *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 03:36:00 PM 699 Views
It's good that Etzel sticks to his guns Sidious - 06/06/2010 04:42:01 PM 1123 Views
OMG, Taim and Mesaana were getting it on in the pantry darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 09:49:57 PM 984 Views
That reminds me... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:46:58 AM 1007 Views
That's not anyone's logic, this argument is simply utter nonsense. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:08:05 PM 1052 Views
just like thinking Slayer was the killer is darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:09:34 PM 1002 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:21:31 PM 1091 Views
thinking the top assassin killed someone when it's been stated over and over darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:56:48 PM 1045 Views
Those quotes pretty much show that Graendal is careful... *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:03:26 PM 1017 Views
No they show that she is deliberate! darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 01:12:29 PM 1074 Views
That are just semantics Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:36:12 PM 1149 Views
and you think it's obvious that Slayer was the premier Shadow assassin prior to WH? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:06:47 PM 1030 Views
As I explained you several times, I can see why RJ thought it is obvious, yes... Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:17:01 PM 997 Views
Why wouldn't Graendal head to Caemlyn at that point? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:36:24 PM 1077 Views
And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:54:33 PM 1123 Views
Re: And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:01:14 PM 1083 Views
You should re-read the scene where Moghedien tells Nynaeve about it... Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:12:55 PM 1077 Views
That's a different thing than Moghedien saying the plan was canceled darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:15:32 PM 1164 Views
That is essentially what Moghedien said. Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:33:35 PM 914 Views
um no it's not darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:17:04 PM 1004 Views
It's told after that... Etzel - 07/06/2010 04:46:31 PM 965 Views
No it doesn't. It tells us that Rahvin, just like all the others had a side plan in place darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:55:43 PM 1117 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:17:59 PM 1050 Views
Funny I feel the same way you do ... darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:25:48 PM 1041 Views
Ah, whatever... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:35:22 PM 967 Views
We are on the exact same page darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:42:48 PM 1009 Views
Re: We are on the exact same page Sidious - 07/06/2010 05:52:37 PM 1089 Views
LMAO darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 06:07:16 PM 1471 Views
I promised Etzel long ago... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:49:11 AM 1026 Views
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