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That is essentially what Moghedien said. Etzel Send a noteboard - 07/06/2010 03:33:35 PM
Your rational all falls back on information we learn in WH. You know as well as I do that the logic jumps you make would be impossible without that POV


No, as I also often pointed out, I agree with RJ that it's possible to find all the clues in the first 5 books (and also the indirect additional clues in the books after TFoH) to deduce who the killer is, namely most likely Slayer. And if you manage this, it even becomes kind of obvious. But I think I repeat myself. ;)
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An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds Etzel - 27/05/2010 12:12:50 PM 2589 Views
I hate to say it, as I love this mystery.... GateKeeper - 27/05/2010 03:01:08 PM 1336 Views
Surely, there can never be enough Asmo threads! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:18:06 PM 724 Views
I have a theory on the killer that doesn't involve Slayer... FanEditor10 - 28/05/2010 03:41:23 AM 1139 Views
It's not really obvious... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:08:27 AM 1075 Views
In addition to Etzel's comments newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:08:45 PM 988 Views
I'm pretty sure the Myrdraal that killed Caradin's family was a Proto-version of SH *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:56:58 PM 647 Views
Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/05/2010 04:40:15 PM 613 Views
Re: Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 09:16:01 PM 1138 Views
Far-fetched, IMO DomA - 27/05/2010 04:01:05 PM 1430 Views
very well said *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 04:19:10 PM 746 Views
I don't want Slayer to be the killer Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:33:06 PM 1124 Views
The way you twist things, it certainly seems so! fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 05:07:22 PM 1223 Views
Bah, hogwash! Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:17:37 PM 1089 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! DomA - 27/05/2010 08:14:16 PM 1126 Views
The point is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:38:49 AM 1167 Views
Yes, but Fain is a far cry from your average non-channeler darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:01:44 PM 1219 Views
As is Slayer Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:25:07 PM 1072 Views
There is no evidence of this at all darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:32:37 PM 1052 Views
Yeah, the evil guys don't manage to harm the good guys Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:38:57 PM 1027 Views
so far we've seen Slayer kill a sleeping guy and his wife darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:45:14 PM 1050 Views
I disagree. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:50:02 PM 1161 Views
You always twist the quotes to make them say what Jordan didn't intend to say.... DomA - 28/05/2010 02:20:09 PM 1117 Views
I think this is your interpretation Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:14 PM 1059 Views
Yeah right... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 08:35:35 PM 1151 Views
See my replies above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:40:42 AM 940 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:28:16 AM 941 Views
See my repy to DomA. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:39:15 AM 913 Views
None of this explains how Slayer had opportunity that others didn't darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:12:48 PM 1261 Views
We often see... Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:33:19 PM 1118 Views
I just keep coming back to Slayer needs wild explanations while Graendal is more obvious darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:52:13 PM 1197 Views
Ok, as we said in the other thread, let's RAFO! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:57:49 PM 1211 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:03:51 PM 671 Views
Indeed Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:39:14 AM 1054 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:19:46 AM 1112 Views
Re: Well... darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:20:15 PM 1117 Views
I adressed the points regarding the Fain-comparsion above Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:35:08 PM 1056 Views
your Slayer theory is ridiculously complex! darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:37:08 PM 1105 Views
It just requires to combine some clues from the first 5 books & some common sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:44:10 PM 1048 Views
common sense? darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:51:25 PM 1061 Views
See my posts above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:56 PM 1080 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:27:40 PM 1222 Views
No... Etzel - 28/05/2010 03:04:41 PM 1143 Views
let's try this another way darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:14:07 PM 1132 Views
The main problem with Graendal is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:31:09 PM 1052 Views
Graendal has a pretty significant role in TFoH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 06:54:39 PM 1094 Views
Re: The main problem with Graendal is... DomA - 28/05/2010 09:20:27 PM 1194 Views
my first thought was it was Sammael or Graendal. Come LoC it was clear to me that it was Graendal. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:44:38 PM 1247 Views
RJ used the expression... Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:17:08 AM 1035 Views
be careful ... your stretching far enough you might hurt yourself darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:12:29 PM 1142 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:38:49 PM 1014 Views
Re: I don't want Slayer to be the killer DomA - 27/05/2010 07:47:40 PM 1090 Views
Couple of questions scalius - 27/05/2010 09:53:05 PM 1114 Views
Be'lal managed to get out NO! darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:08:33 PM 966 Views
Hmmm scalius - 27/05/2010 10:27:55 PM 1087 Views
Re: Hmmm RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:34:30 PM 982 Views
I don't think you can actually cut BF weaves darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:45:34 PM 1002 Views
Hmmm I wonder about that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:58:46 PM 1056 Views
I think it would be impossible for someone to react that quickly darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:13:01 PM 1155 Views
We've seen it done. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/05/2010 06:32:08 PM 999 Views
Not the same thing darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:00:13 PM 981 Views
Re: Couple of questions DomA - 28/05/2010 03:29:29 PM 1148 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:36:28 AM 1094 Views
Of course you do. Trying to deny it is just silly. Everyone knows your bias. *NM* Tom - 27/05/2010 08:43:18 PM 560 Views
No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Etzel - 27/05/2010 09:08:48 PM 1105 Views
Re: No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:25:46 AM 1088 Views
But look... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:01:12 AM 1113 Views
if there are clues in TFoH I find it hard to believe that Slayer is involved darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:29:40 PM 1011 Views
The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:32:13 PM 1078 Views
Re: The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:35:22 PM 1081 Views
RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:40:23 PM 1138 Views
Re: RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:52:30 PM 1000 Views
Yeah, I know. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:51:32 PM 1072 Views
Yet Slayer is no where to be seen between his vanishing after TSR and the start of WH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:09:44 PM 1081 Views
??? Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:19:17 PM 1046 Views
Of course RJ implied that. You should read his quotes about Asmo! *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 1069 Views
Here is what RJ said EDIT darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:29:19 PM 846 Views
Indeed Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:18:35 PM 1010 Views
Re: Indeed darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 05:26:38 PM 973 Views
But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:33:02 PM 1022 Views
Re: But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:05:27 PM 996 Views
LOL!! Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:29:35 PM 813 Views
Too much? Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:16:44 PM 1070 Views
Re: Far-fetched, IMO saidarisnowtainted - 02/06/2010 07:34:58 PM 1191 Views
Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:13:04 PM 680 Views
Re: Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? saidarisnowtainted - 19/06/2010 12:59:54 AM 894 Views
Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken darius_sedai - 19/06/2010 03:30:37 AM 1100 Views
Re: Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken saidarisnowtainted - 24/06/2010 09:03:18 AM 1303 Views
The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book darius_sedai - 26/06/2010 02:32:26 PM 808 Views
Re: The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book saidarisnowtainted - 01/07/2010 10:13:53 PM 1231 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:19:18 PM 1023 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds DomA - 27/05/2010 09:16:21 PM 1034 Views
Lanfear killed Asmo..... trzaska2000 - 28/05/2010 05:05:55 AM 996 Views
Doesn't make sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 11:09:14 AM 1039 Views
Sorry, Lanfear did it..... trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:47:44 AM 968 Views
Considering that RJ didn't even necessarily want to reveal it, it was pretty random, yeah. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:25:54 AM 637 Views
Death is Moridin "when death took him"; need I say more *NM* Knightscape - 28/05/2010 10:07:14 AM 681 Views
There is a quote that refutes this... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:22:12 AM 1080 Views
He could have recognized Moridan.....due to the True Power in his eyes. trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:49:49 AM 1023 Views
No other Forsaken immediately recognizes Moridin as Ishy because of the saa. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:26:44 AM 644 Views
RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 08:55:01 PM 1105 Views
Re: RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever *NM* newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:24:41 PM 736 Views
I think I found an RJ quote that kills the Slayer theory darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:57:20 PM 981 Views
If Slayer is actually the killer... Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:20:32 PM 1059 Views
Please, RJ would do as he always had and immediately RAFOd a question like that darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:26:10 PM 1023 Views
Well, I don't think so. Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:43:28 PM 1049 Views
yet he never gave an answer like this one darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:57:35 PM 1116 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/05/2010 03:09:06 PM 1114 Views
Taking things NO darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 03:12:24 PM 1083 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:44:05 AM 921 Views
If Slayer never met Asmo in the books he could not have killed him darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 12:46:40 PM 920 Views
But Slayer could have met Asmo, when he was killed.. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 01:06:01 PM 978 Views
Directly contradicts what RJ said "they did not meet in the books" darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:51:50 PM 930 Views
Not "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 06:03:34 PM 975 Views
Re: Not "before" the murder. *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 10:25:16 PM 929 Views
He answers the question, if they met "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 07:18:50 AM 669 Views
not if it didn't happen in the books darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:08:34 PM 867 Views
I'm relieved then... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:13:58 PM 872 Views
it's nearly as simplistic as knowing Graendal did it darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:48:42 PM 1006 Views
Compilation of the clues I could find on Slayer and Graendal darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 04:26:58 PM 1108 Views
I think Asmo's killer was as surprised as he. TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:26:03 PM 1048 Views
That's what I've always thought as well. Seriana Sedai - 29/05/2010 10:06:56 PM 973 Views
That's always been my theory too Sidious - 29/05/2010 10:18:30 PM 1074 Views
*nods* darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 11:23:18 PM 1092 Views
Re: That's always been my theory too Seriana Sedai - 30/05/2010 07:35:50 AM 1005 Views
You know, there's no direct proof suggesting that Asmo's killer was "surprised"..... trzaska2000 - 01/06/2010 04:04:56 AM 958 Views
That's why I said "I think" and offered my opinion. TaskmasterJack - 01/06/2010 09:46:09 PM 1008 Views
except the Author said it was a murder of opportunity darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 11:13:14 PM 991 Views
That is simply false. Etzel - 02/06/2010 10:00:27 AM 1053 Views
RJ stated it was a murder of opportunity ... I never said "only" darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:49:23 AM 1103 Views
Of course, it is false Etzel - 02/06/2010 12:13:11 PM 1022 Views
Here are the quotes darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 12:39:29 PM 952 Views
As said, those quotes simply don't support that the murder was basically just an unplanned accident. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:14:29 PM 667 Views
I disagree. It's pretty much black and white that the opportunity/timing is the key factor to darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:39:03 PM 882 Views
Actually I like it because it fits Slayer better than Graendal, as pointed out. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:51:24 PM 527 Views
that makes no sense at all *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:53:28 PM 720 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:47:13 AM 1053 Views
Well... Etzel - 06/06/2010 10:46:13 AM 1048 Views
Logic darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:53:27 PM 1010 Views
You're falling into Etzelian logic there... DomA - 06/06/2010 03:25:30 PM 1002 Views
I'm just being a smartass *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 03:36:00 PM 693 Views
It's good that Etzel sticks to his guns Sidious - 06/06/2010 04:42:01 PM 1111 Views
OMG, Taim and Mesaana were getting it on in the pantry darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 09:49:57 PM 971 Views
That reminds me... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:46:58 AM 996 Views
That's not anyone's logic, this argument is simply utter nonsense. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:08:05 PM 1037 Views
just like thinking Slayer was the killer is darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:09:34 PM 987 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:21:31 PM 1079 Views
thinking the top assassin killed someone when it's been stated over and over darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:56:48 PM 1027 Views
Those quotes pretty much show that Graendal is careful... *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:03:26 PM 985 Views
No they show that she is deliberate! darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 01:12:29 PM 1062 Views
That are just semantics Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:36:12 PM 1140 Views
and you think it's obvious that Slayer was the premier Shadow assassin prior to WH? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:06:47 PM 1018 Views
As I explained you several times, I can see why RJ thought it is obvious, yes... Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:17:01 PM 983 Views
Why wouldn't Graendal head to Caemlyn at that point? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:36:24 PM 1060 Views
And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:54:33 PM 1112 Views
Re: And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:01:14 PM 1074 Views
You should re-read the scene where Moghedien tells Nynaeve about it... Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:12:55 PM 1060 Views
That's a different thing than Moghedien saying the plan was canceled darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:15:32 PM 1146 Views
That is essentially what Moghedien said. Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:33:35 PM 902 Views
um no it's not darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:17:04 PM 989 Views
It's told after that... Etzel - 07/06/2010 04:46:31 PM 952 Views
No it doesn't. It tells us that Rahvin, just like all the others had a side plan in place darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:55:43 PM 1104 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:17:59 PM 1030 Views
Funny I feel the same way you do ... darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:25:48 PM 1029 Views
Ah, whatever... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:35:22 PM 935 Views
We are on the exact same page darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:42:48 PM 998 Views
Re: We are on the exact same page Sidious - 07/06/2010 05:52:37 PM 1078 Views
LMAO darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 06:07:16 PM 1459 Views
I promised Etzel long ago... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:49:11 AM 1014 Views
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