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Yeah... Etzel Send a noteboard - 07/06/2010 05:17:59 PM
"But Rahvin never trusted Lanfear. He never trusted any of them. Why should he? He thought it all might be some trap set for him, so he has laid a trap of his own."

That basically tells us that the Illian plan was canceled. Rahvin didn't trust Graendal or the others. There was no reason for them to be in Caemlyn.


There is no hint that the original plan was "canceled".


Of course, after Rahvin was successful with his own plan to kill Rand, he wanted to return to the original plan to lure (the then dead) Rand to Illian.. (especially because Lanfear was also "dead" then and Rahvin would suddenly trust the other two)

Sometimes I wonder if you can really be that dense, or if are just playing dumb like above regarding the Asmo meeting Slayer-quote.
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An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds Etzel - 27/05/2010 12:12:50 PM 2705 Views
I hate to say it, as I love this mystery.... GateKeeper - 27/05/2010 03:01:08 PM 1419 Views
Surely, there can never be enough Asmo threads! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:18:06 PM 766 Views
I have a theory on the killer that doesn't involve Slayer... FanEditor10 - 28/05/2010 03:41:23 AM 1219 Views
It's not really obvious... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:08:27 AM 1153 Views
In addition to Etzel's comments newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:08:45 PM 1084 Views
I'm pretty sure the Myrdraal that killed Caradin's family was a Proto-version of SH *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:56:58 PM 690 Views
Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/05/2010 04:40:15 PM 667 Views
Re: Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 09:16:01 PM 1223 Views
Far-fetched, IMO DomA - 27/05/2010 04:01:05 PM 1533 Views
very well said *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 04:19:10 PM 794 Views
I don't want Slayer to be the killer Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:33:06 PM 1216 Views
The way you twist things, it certainly seems so! fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 05:07:22 PM 1327 Views
Bah, hogwash! Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:17:37 PM 1178 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! DomA - 27/05/2010 08:14:16 PM 1204 Views
The point is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:38:49 AM 1255 Views
Yes, but Fain is a far cry from your average non-channeler darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:01:44 PM 1303 Views
As is Slayer Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:25:07 PM 1172 Views
There is no evidence of this at all darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:32:37 PM 1131 Views
Yeah, the evil guys don't manage to harm the good guys Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:38:57 PM 1115 Views
so far we've seen Slayer kill a sleeping guy and his wife darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:45:14 PM 1136 Views
I disagree. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:50:02 PM 1250 Views
You always twist the quotes to make them say what Jordan didn't intend to say.... DomA - 28/05/2010 02:20:09 PM 1204 Views
I think this is your interpretation Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:14 PM 1146 Views
Yeah right... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 08:35:35 PM 1261 Views
See my replies above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:40:42 AM 1049 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:28:16 AM 1026 Views
See my repy to DomA. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:39:15 AM 1006 Views
None of this explains how Slayer had opportunity that others didn't darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:12:48 PM 1359 Views
We often see... Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:33:19 PM 1202 Views
I just keep coming back to Slayer needs wild explanations while Graendal is more obvious darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:52:13 PM 1286 Views
Ok, as we said in the other thread, let's RAFO! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:57:49 PM 1291 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:03:51 PM 715 Views
Indeed Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:39:14 AM 1146 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:19:46 AM 1222 Views
Re: Well... darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:20:15 PM 1209 Views
I adressed the points regarding the Fain-comparsion above Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:35:08 PM 1141 Views
your Slayer theory is ridiculously complex! darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:37:08 PM 1195 Views
It just requires to combine some clues from the first 5 books & some common sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:44:10 PM 1150 Views
common sense? darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:51:25 PM 1145 Views
See my posts above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:56 PM 1166 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:27:40 PM 1324 Views
No... Etzel - 28/05/2010 03:04:41 PM 1219 Views
let's try this another way darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:14:07 PM 1207 Views
The main problem with Graendal is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:31:09 PM 1137 Views
Graendal has a pretty significant role in TFoH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 06:54:39 PM 1233 Views
Re: The main problem with Graendal is... DomA - 28/05/2010 09:20:27 PM 1278 Views
my first thought was it was Sammael or Graendal. Come LoC it was clear to me that it was Graendal. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:44:38 PM 1347 Views
RJ used the expression... Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:17:08 AM 1138 Views
be careful ... your stretching far enough you might hurt yourself darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:12:29 PM 1241 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:38:49 PM 1108 Views
Re: I don't want Slayer to be the killer DomA - 27/05/2010 07:47:40 PM 1195 Views
Couple of questions scalius - 27/05/2010 09:53:05 PM 1201 Views
Be'lal managed to get out NO! darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:08:33 PM 1049 Views
Hmmm scalius - 27/05/2010 10:27:55 PM 1174 Views
Re: Hmmm RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:34:30 PM 1049 Views
I don't think you can actually cut BF weaves darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:45:34 PM 1082 Views
Hmmm I wonder about that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:58:46 PM 1153 Views
I think it would be impossible for someone to react that quickly darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:13:01 PM 1241 Views
We've seen it done. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/05/2010 06:32:08 PM 1091 Views
Not the same thing darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:00:13 PM 1075 Views
Re: Couple of questions DomA - 28/05/2010 03:29:29 PM 1243 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:36:28 AM 1170 Views
Of course you do. Trying to deny it is just silly. Everyone knows your bias. *NM* Tom - 27/05/2010 08:43:18 PM 603 Views
No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Etzel - 27/05/2010 09:08:48 PM 1193 Views
Re: No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:25:46 AM 1171 Views
But look... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:01:12 AM 1195 Views
if there are clues in TFoH I find it hard to believe that Slayer is involved darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:29:40 PM 1088 Views
The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:32:13 PM 1161 Views
Re: The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:35:22 PM 1177 Views
RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:40:23 PM 1210 Views
Re: RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:52:30 PM 1093 Views
Yeah, I know. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:51:32 PM 1162 Views
Yet Slayer is no where to be seen between his vanishing after TSR and the start of WH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:09:44 PM 1171 Views
??? Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:19:17 PM 1131 Views
Of course RJ implied that. You should read his quotes about Asmo! *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 1162 Views
Here is what RJ said EDIT darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:29:19 PM 934 Views
Indeed Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:18:35 PM 1084 Views
Re: Indeed darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 05:26:38 PM 1060 Views
But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:33:02 PM 1100 Views
Re: But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:05:27 PM 1081 Views
LOL!! Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:29:35 PM 900 Views
Too much? Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:16:44 PM 1159 Views
Re: Far-fetched, IMO saidarisnowtainted - 02/06/2010 07:34:58 PM 1274 Views
Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:13:04 PM 728 Views
Re: Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? saidarisnowtainted - 19/06/2010 12:59:54 AM 981 Views
Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken darius_sedai - 19/06/2010 03:30:37 AM 1177 Views
Re: Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken saidarisnowtainted - 24/06/2010 09:03:18 AM 1410 Views
The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book darius_sedai - 26/06/2010 02:32:26 PM 889 Views
Re: The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book saidarisnowtainted - 01/07/2010 10:13:53 PM 1306 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:19:18 PM 1109 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds DomA - 27/05/2010 09:16:21 PM 1109 Views
Lanfear killed Asmo..... trzaska2000 - 28/05/2010 05:05:55 AM 1088 Views
Doesn't make sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 11:09:14 AM 1113 Views
Sorry, Lanfear did it..... trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:47:44 AM 1047 Views
Considering that RJ didn't even necessarily want to reveal it, it was pretty random, yeah. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:25:54 AM 682 Views
Death is Moridin "when death took him"; need I say more *NM* Knightscape - 28/05/2010 10:07:14 AM 733 Views
There is a quote that refutes this... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:22:12 AM 1159 Views
He could have recognized Moridan.....due to the True Power in his eyes. trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:49:49 AM 1114 Views
No other Forsaken immediately recognizes Moridin as Ishy because of the saa. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:26:44 AM 683 Views
RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 08:55:01 PM 1185 Views
Re: RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever *NM* newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:24:41 PM 775 Views
I think I found an RJ quote that kills the Slayer theory darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:57:20 PM 1084 Views
If Slayer is actually the killer... Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:20:32 PM 1132 Views
Please, RJ would do as he always had and immediately RAFOd a question like that darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:26:10 PM 1108 Views
Well, I don't think so. Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:43:28 PM 1140 Views
yet he never gave an answer like this one darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:57:35 PM 1203 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/05/2010 03:09:06 PM 1203 Views
Taking things NO darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 03:12:24 PM 1166 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:44:05 AM 994 Views
If Slayer never met Asmo in the books he could not have killed him darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 12:46:40 PM 994 Views
But Slayer could have met Asmo, when he was killed.. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 01:06:01 PM 1054 Views
Directly contradicts what RJ said "they did not meet in the books" darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:51:50 PM 1020 Views
Not "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 06:03:34 PM 1052 Views
Re: Not "before" the murder. *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 10:25:16 PM 1006 Views
He answers the question, if they met "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 07:18:50 AM 718 Views
not if it didn't happen in the books darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:08:34 PM 953 Views
I'm relieved then... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:13:58 PM 962 Views
it's nearly as simplistic as knowing Graendal did it darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:48:42 PM 1089 Views
Compilation of the clues I could find on Slayer and Graendal darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 04:26:58 PM 1221 Views
I think Asmo's killer was as surprised as he. TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:26:03 PM 1125 Views
That's what I've always thought as well. Seriana Sedai - 29/05/2010 10:06:56 PM 1048 Views
That's always been my theory too Sidious - 29/05/2010 10:18:30 PM 1151 Views
*nods* darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 11:23:18 PM 1163 Views
Re: That's always been my theory too Seriana Sedai - 30/05/2010 07:35:50 AM 1086 Views
You know, there's no direct proof suggesting that Asmo's killer was "surprised"..... trzaska2000 - 01/06/2010 04:04:56 AM 1040 Views
That's why I said "I think" and offered my opinion. TaskmasterJack - 01/06/2010 09:46:09 PM 1095 Views
except the Author said it was a murder of opportunity darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 11:13:14 PM 1063 Views
That is simply false. Etzel - 02/06/2010 10:00:27 AM 1143 Views
RJ stated it was a murder of opportunity ... I never said "only" darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:49:23 AM 1207 Views
Of course, it is false Etzel - 02/06/2010 12:13:11 PM 1124 Views
Here are the quotes darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 12:39:29 PM 1059 Views
As said, those quotes simply don't support that the murder was basically just an unplanned accident. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:14:29 PM 712 Views
I disagree. It's pretty much black and white that the opportunity/timing is the key factor to darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:39:03 PM 960 Views
Actually I like it because it fits Slayer better than Graendal, as pointed out. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:51:24 PM 578 Views
that makes no sense at all *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:53:28 PM 770 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:47:13 AM 1130 Views
Well... Etzel - 06/06/2010 10:46:13 AM 1121 Views
Logic darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:53:27 PM 1079 Views
You're falling into Etzelian logic there... DomA - 06/06/2010 03:25:30 PM 1079 Views
I'm just being a smartass *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 03:36:00 PM 740 Views
It's good that Etzel sticks to his guns Sidious - 06/06/2010 04:42:01 PM 1187 Views
OMG, Taim and Mesaana were getting it on in the pantry darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 09:49:57 PM 1055 Views
That reminds me... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:46:58 AM 1075 Views
That's not anyone's logic, this argument is simply utter nonsense. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:08:05 PM 1128 Views
just like thinking Slayer was the killer is darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:09:34 PM 1070 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:21:31 PM 1179 Views
thinking the top assassin killed someone when it's been stated over and over darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:56:48 PM 1126 Views
Those quotes pretty much show that Graendal is careful... *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:03:26 PM 1143 Views
No they show that she is deliberate! darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 01:12:29 PM 1154 Views
That are just semantics Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:36:12 PM 1222 Views
and you think it's obvious that Slayer was the premier Shadow assassin prior to WH? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:06:47 PM 1096 Views
As I explained you several times, I can see why RJ thought it is obvious, yes... Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:17:01 PM 1074 Views
Why wouldn't Graendal head to Caemlyn at that point? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:36:24 PM 1147 Views
And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:54:33 PM 1188 Views
Re: And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:01:14 PM 1156 Views
You should re-read the scene where Moghedien tells Nynaeve about it... Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:12:55 PM 1222 Views
That's a different thing than Moghedien saying the plan was canceled darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:15:32 PM 1230 Views
That is essentially what Moghedien said. Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:33:35 PM 983 Views
um no it's not darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:17:04 PM 1071 Views
It's told after that... Etzel - 07/06/2010 04:46:31 PM 1036 Views
No it doesn't. It tells us that Rahvin, just like all the others had a side plan in place darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:55:43 PM 1186 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:17:59 PM 1113 Views
Funny I feel the same way you do ... darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:25:48 PM 1108 Views
Ah, whatever... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:35:22 PM 1035 Views
We are on the exact same page darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:42:48 PM 1090 Views
Re: We are on the exact same page Sidious - 07/06/2010 05:52:37 PM 1166 Views
LMAO darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 06:07:16 PM 1531 Views
I promised Etzel long ago... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:49:11 AM 1096 Views
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