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Think logically for a moment... Shannow Send a noteboard - 10/06/2010 07:49:10 PM
I've been saying for years that the bell curve distribution means that the average female is around strength 50. I think Moiraine and co. are 55-60, with the bulk of women in the world being at 50, which should be Anaiya or Sheriam level.

With respect to shielding Rand, however... we need to remember that women of Sheriam's strength are very rare in the Tower. This tells me that the Tower's average is actually lower than the world's average. Which is why Rand thinks three AS cannot shield him. Average AS strength is probably between 35-40. Three such shouldn't be able to shield Rand.

Also, this means Egwene and co. would certainly have to be around 70, pushing up the likes of Nynaeve to 90-95, I think.


If Moiraine is at 60, how can Egwene then be twice as strong as Moiraine? That would make Egwene 110-120. That would make Egwene about 20% stronger than Lanfear.

So sorry, Moiraine cannot be close to the average woman. Which begs the question: Where are all the average women who are stronger than Moiraine, and where most female channelers should be placed, since the bell curve supposedly peaks in the middle?
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Several good MAFOs from Dragonmount Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:07:55 PM 2490 Views
Some good RAFOs here Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:31:56 PM 1225 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:36:55 PM 1138 Views
Maria's answer to question 20 is ground-breaking! Logain - 10/06/2010 07:36:40 PM 1422 Views
No, it merely means that the Bell Curve does not refer to absolute strength... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:42:31 PM 1258 Views
See the question again man! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:48:57 PM 1236 Views
That contradicts your assertion that Moiraine is stronger than the average woman... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:50:11 PM 1314 Views
How? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:41 PM 1249 Views
I need to re-evaluate nothing! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:46:20 PM 1248 Views
Think logically for a moment... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:49:10 PM 1074 Views
Who said Egwene is twice as strong as Moiraine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:52:27 PM 1379 Views
Aviendha did in FoH... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:54:32 PM 1074 Views
Nope! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:55:55 PM 1247 Views
Your quotes are faulty Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:57:18 PM 1244 Views
In what sense though? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:59:00 PM 1266 Views
Forkroot Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:04:50 PM 1214 Views
Again... later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:05:39 PM 1067 Views
What do you mean? Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:07:24 PM 1221 Views
See below... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:11:24 PM 1108 Views
Re: See below... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:12:34 PM 1182 Views
I just did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:09 PM 1027 Views
Well then we disagree Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:18:10 PM 1225 Views
BUT WHAT ABOUT LATER IN THE NIGHT! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:20:21 PM 1061 Views
Ah, you mean later later ... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:29:59 PM 1150 Views
Forkroot wears off, you know? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:45:33 PM 1248 Views
Yes I know Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:05:29 PM 1248 Views
I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:17:10 PM 1210 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:37:39 PM 1206 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:51:40 PM 1155 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:05:37 PM 1213 Views
Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:18:44 PM 1245 Views
Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:29:04 PM 1335 Views
Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:47:00 PM 1125 Views
RJ writes that Amys cannot hold Egwene. BS writes that Barasene can. Who are you gonna believe? Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:31:35 PM 1058 Views
It wasn't BS... both were RJ! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:41:54 PM 1171 Views
In that case, there is no problem... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:45:05 PM 1286 Views
But that isn't what the text says... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:57:42 PM 1005 Views
How can Egwene be strong enough to overcome Katerine and Silviana together then? Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:07:36 PM 1298 Views
She also says Egwene is Aes Sedai in the same sentence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:25:16 PM 1277 Views
Yeah, both were RJ Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1121 Views
Yeah yeah... RJ lied, Maria lied. Only you make sense. I'm finished with this debate. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:59:06 PM 1214 Views
Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:07:52 PM 1223 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:29:22 PM 1064 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:39:21 PM 1216 Views
Re: Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:43:41 PM 1079 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:50:23 PM 1225 Views
I haven't refuted? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:53:17 PM 1266 Views
Here's what is clear: Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:02:41 PM 1116 Views
IMO it's easy to disprove Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:22:23 PM 1090 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:34 PM 1034 Views
At least we agree on one thing Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:29:14 PM 1133 Views
No... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:32:06 PM 1106 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:43:59 PM 1229 Views
fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:57:25 PM 1049 Views
Re: Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:12:29 PM 1139 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:34:28 PM 1184 Views
Thought on this darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:09:29 PM 1060 Views
yet 4 women can still hold Rand in LoC ... he can't break the Shield until it's down to 3 darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 12:47:43 PM 948 Views
Have to agree with Sidious on this point darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 02:49:58 AM 1070 Views
That was kind of my point... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:19:23 PM 792 Views
of course Katerine would have complained darius_sedai - 12/06/2010 12:53:31 PM 1174 Views
The rate forkroot wears off? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:36:38 PM 1176 Views
You missed that she isn't being given Forkroot at night at all! fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:47:59 PM 1068 Views
Typos, screwed up what I meant Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/06/2010 02:31:50 AM 1072 Views
You are... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:32:47 AM 1297 Views
Maria's other answer adresses this... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:14:54 PM 974 Views
Then one Aes Sedai cannot shield her. But one did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:41 PM 1079 Views
You can be much weaker than someone, and hold them shielded, if they are already cut off... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:19:15 PM 1080 Views
But, if you are much stronger, you can break that shield... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:22:25 PM 1071 Views
Easy... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:24:59 PM 1037 Views
What has that got to do with it? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:32:56 PM 1222 Views
Amys is not LESS than half of Egwene's strength. You cannot hold someone if you are LESS than half.. Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:47:41 PM 1143 Views
Amys is as strong as Moiraine, at the most one level lower. Barasine is weaker than Katarine, who... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:00:26 PM 1259 Views
I can agree with that. Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:09:07 PM 1028 Views
How can you agree with it? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:13:55 PM 1230 Views
I'm thinking Berowin here... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:16:41 PM 1243 Views
Exactly. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:18:19 PM 1099 Views
... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:12:21 PM 1022 Views
Agreed, but... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:13:59 PM 1185 Views
Re: Agreed, but... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:16:30 PM 986 Views
Good point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:18:53 PM 1192 Views
Or, you know, you're wrong? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:55 PM 1070 Views
Re: Good point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:28:02 PM 1260 Views
We've had this discussion before darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:59:34 PM 1208 Views
Or, you know, you can have the grace to question your antiquated strength list... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:22:51 PM 1055 Views
The Bell Curve fits perfectly if one simple fact is true... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:31:31 PM 1026 Views
Or, you know, you can stop misinterpreting Aviendha... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:40:05 PM 1142 Views
I'd be perfectly happy to adjust my list if it made sense Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:32:35 PM 1000 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:41:59 PM 1011 Views
Re: Uhhh? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:48:58 PM 997 Views
DUDE! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:58:59 PM 1023 Views
Re: DUDE! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:09:11 PM 995 Views
I explained... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:27:44 PM 1016 Views
Re: I explained... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:45:58 PM 1178 Views
Rand seems to shield Egwene and Elayne TOGETHER, pretty easily... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:54:03 PM 1669 Views
That's fairly simple, actually... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:08:53 PM 1250 Views
Nope. Rand was also cut off from the Source when he broke a shield held by 3 Aes Sedai... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:18:41 PM 1219 Views
Because that channeler is much stronger? I'm not getting your confusion here. *NM* fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:27:31 PM 576 Views
Your Aes Sedai are close to the average woman in strength, right... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:42:01 PM 1312 Views
You are making a couple of mistakes darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:28:41 PM 1135 Views
You're missing an important point... fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:10:55 PM 1105 Views
Yes, what do you mean? You are actually proving our point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:10:50 PM 976 Views
No, here's the quote: I hate having to pull out my books with their yellowed pages... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:01:54 PM 1048 Views
Why would she need surprise against two? That was against five of them... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:04:57 PM 1066 Views
That makes no sense whatsoever... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:06:53 PM 1043 Views
Simply this... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:13:42 PM 1068 Views
Very poor evidence Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:11:26 PM 1191 Views
No it isn't... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:18:09 PM 1136 Views
Re: No it isn't... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:32:17 PM 1201 Views
no she said Egwene is stronger than Amys and Melaine combined darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 12:46:29 AM 1129 Views
The actual quote says Amys and Melaine combined... Shannow - 11/06/2010 12:25:07 PM 1170 Views
Here's the problem with that... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:42:41 PM 1031 Views
Linked circles are more effective than individual channelers... Shannow - 11/06/2010 01:57:43 PM 1150 Views
That much stronger? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:06:18 PM 1205 Views
On this we agree. darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:34:45 PM 1012 Views
I think you are misreading her. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:47:06 PM 1019 Views
Bingo *NM* Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:51:29 PM 674 Views
Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. *NM* Logain - 10/06/2010 09:23:36 PM 620 Views
Re: Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 10:11:23 PM 1224 Views
Yes. You can't extrapolate a generalized macro level scale to micro level individuals. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:16:24 AM 1081 Views
I don't agree Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:49:41 PM 1065 Views
BAH! Its infuriating how you have so many blinders... Eerily Aes Sedai of you. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:23 PM 1260 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:55:59 PM 990 Views
Because of the question to which she responded... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:57:55 PM 992 Views
Re: Because of the question to which she responded... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:06:16 PM 1157 Views
Without contradicting the latter... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:15:11 PM 1058 Views
Ah well Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:20:32 PM 1031 Views
Which is even more evidence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:23:28 PM 1150 Views
Dude Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:30:57 PM 1220 Views
It isn't omission fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 10:54:47 PM 1171 Views
omg not this again *NM* BlackAdder - 10/06/2010 07:52:26 PM 1155 Views
Great! Two of my OP strength ideas have been solidified! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:39:53 PM 1257 Views
Nope... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:46:31 PM 1124 Views
Who said Cadsuane was 50? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:51:14 PM 1159 Views
So how can Egwene be twice as strong as Moiraine, if Moiraine is at 55? Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:53:11 PM 1021 Views
She cannot be because she isn't. Silviana can shield Egwene alone, for God's sake. So can Amys! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:56:26 PM 960 Views
Amys can't hold her properly Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:59:47 PM 986 Views
What about later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:02:16 PM 1015 Views
No she didn't darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 03:02:21 PM 1128 Views
No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:46:05 PM 1189 Views
Re: No she didn't what? darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:16:16 AM 1026 Views
Re: No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 06:02:57 PM 1148 Views
you are arguing in a circle darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:31:19 PM 1503 Views
Why do you think it's a linear scale? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 05:25:56 AM 1125 Views
That's simple... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 1108 Views
Re: That's simple... Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:27:07 PM 1058 Views
Your concept is not mathematically right. So yeah, forget discussing it. fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:41:13 PM 1238 Views
Dang, Cyndane isn't using Cabriana's body. Gher - 10/06/2010 08:25:20 PM 1081 Views
But they didn't look alike anyway. *NM* Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:59:35 PM 669 Views
Eh, yeah. Gher - 12/06/2010 08:24:10 PM 1029 Views
The blue flash RAFO irritates me- I can't see how that will be relevant. The Min thing was new beetnemesis - 10/06/2010 08:50:52 PM 1189 Views
RJ already RAFOed the incident with Thom's knives/daggers before Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:57:52 PM 1269 Views
They RAFO way too much. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:56 AM 1007 Views
It isn't, unless she's implying the Creator helped him out or some other such thing RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:56:49 AM 1028 Views
Just to make things clear on the strength thing... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:08:02 PM 1288 Views
It is possible Maria was answering the first question and ignoring the second... Logain - 10/06/2010 09:29:59 PM 1038 Views
That still proves my point... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:33:10 PM 1213 Views
Re: That still proves my point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:45:39 PM 1074 Views
Then why... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:00:00 PM 1166 Views
Re: Then why... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:07:56 PM 1050 Views
God, what stupidity! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:10:32 PM 1015 Views
Re: God, what stupidity! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:16:38 PM 1114 Views
It doesn't have to be 1-100. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:32:17 PM 1057 Views
Re: It doesn't have to be 1-100. Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:41:02 PM 1361 Views
That's a mathematical impossibility... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:26:23 PM 1194 Views
Just popping in. I think you're arguing over non-existent delineations. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:44:40 AM 1134 Views
You're pretty much agreeing with me, you know? fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:32:44 PM 1112 Views
Yes. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/06/2010 10:31:00 PM 1208 Views
Re: Just to make things clear on the strength thing... Bored - 14/06/2010 11:21:31 PM 1393 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:48:43 PM 995 Views
Also interesting... Etzel - 10/06/2010 09:38:27 PM 1160 Views
I'm even more confused (parallel worlds and the Pattern) entyti - 10/06/2010 09:48:17 PM 1135 Views
Nah,... DomA - 11/06/2010 11:38:20 AM 1095 Views
Fascinating! entyti - 13/06/2010 02:30:42 AM 1216 Views
You know, these things always end up pissing me off. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:05 AM 1102 Views
I think she's saving that info for her WoT Encyclopedia. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:54:38 AM 1191 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. TaskmasterJack - 11/06/2010 03:22:53 AM 1202 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. DomA - 11/06/2010 12:29:37 PM 1174 Views
I agree Etzel - 11/06/2010 01:14:36 PM 1273 Views
Re: I agree TaskmasterJack - 12/06/2010 03:02:32 PM 1042 Views
BS didn't answer with "Read and find out" Etzel - 12/06/2010 03:28:05 PM 1092 Views
We were speaking about Maria giving a RAFO on the topic, not Sanderson. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 12:05:17 AM 598 Views
Actually she said "No"... *NM* Etzel - 13/06/2010 01:06:18 AM 694 Views
I'll rephrase then. It was about Maria saying that she considered giving a RAFO on the question. TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 01:44:19 AM 1073 Views
Yeah, sorry for the rolly-eyed smiley! Was a bit mean... Etzel - 13/06/2010 09:19:13 AM 1101 Views
I agree with Jack and Sidious and not with you. Tom - 11/06/2010 03:20:30 PM 1187 Views
Well, on the Thom question... Etzel - 11/06/2010 08:25:09 AM 1050 Views
Yeah Sidious - 11/06/2010 08:26:33 AM 1159 Views
Re: Yeah darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 12:25:21 AM 1023 Views
Eh, practically useless. callandor1000 - 14/06/2010 11:50:06 PM 1026 Views
I agree. I think she is saving the good stuff for the encyclopedia. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/06/2010 04:17:07 PM 564 Views
Yeah. I do think she's taking advantage of these poor saps, though. callandor1000 - 17/06/2010 03:52:33 PM 1613 Views
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