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What do you mean? Sidious Send a noteboard - 10/06/2010 08:07:24 PM
If she is literally more than the sum of their strengths, then explain to me how Silviana, who is around Amys's strength at most, and Katerine, can shield Egwene on their own. That flies in the face of all we know.


KoD (Embers Falling on Dry Grass) - The glow of saidar surrounded Silviana, and she took over the shield smoothly, without giving any opening when Egwene might have embraced the Power herself. She was certain she could, now. Except that Silviana was far from weak; there was no hope she could break the woman's shield."

A few paragraphs before this, she states that she can't even embrace saidar even if she wants to. At the point where she comments on Silviana she is heavily obtunded by Forkroot, but can embrace saidar. However, her 'strength' is still low, and she wouldn't be able to break the shield.


She mentioned the inability to reach for saidar when they arrived at the Tower. They then went up to the Mistress of Novices, where she commented that she could embrace the Power if she tried.
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Several good MAFOs from Dragonmount Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:07:55 PM 2315 Views
Some good RAFOs here Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:31:56 PM 1065 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:36:55 PM 951 Views
Maria's answer to question 20 is ground-breaking! Logain - 10/06/2010 07:36:40 PM 1255 Views
No, it merely means that the Bell Curve does not refer to absolute strength... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:42:31 PM 1099 Views
See the question again man! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:48:57 PM 1071 Views
That contradicts your assertion that Moiraine is stronger than the average woman... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:50:11 PM 1165 Views
How? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:41 PM 1101 Views
I need to re-evaluate nothing! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:46:20 PM 1100 Views
Think logically for a moment... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:49:10 PM 922 Views
Who said Egwene is twice as strong as Moiraine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:52:27 PM 1225 Views
Aviendha did in FoH... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:54:32 PM 914 Views
Nope! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:55:55 PM 1085 Views
Your quotes are faulty Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:57:18 PM 1089 Views
In what sense though? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:59:00 PM 1084 Views
Forkroot Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:04:50 PM 1038 Views
Again... later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:05:39 PM 895 Views
What do you mean? Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:07:24 PM 1074 Views
See below... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:11:24 PM 952 Views
Re: See below... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:12:34 PM 1022 Views
I just did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:09 PM 859 Views
Well then we disagree Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:18:10 PM 1070 Views
BUT WHAT ABOUT LATER IN THE NIGHT! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:20:21 PM 895 Views
Ah, you mean later later ... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:29:59 PM 997 Views
Forkroot wears off, you know? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:45:33 PM 1090 Views
Yes I know Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:05:29 PM 1095 Views
I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:17:10 PM 1069 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:37:39 PM 1065 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:51:40 PM 1001 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:05:37 PM 1040 Views
Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:18:44 PM 1091 Views
Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:29:04 PM 1192 Views
Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:47:00 PM 986 Views
RJ writes that Amys cannot hold Egwene. BS writes that Barasene can. Who are you gonna believe? Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:31:35 PM 909 Views
It wasn't BS... both were RJ! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:41:54 PM 995 Views
In that case, there is no problem... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:45:05 PM 1077 Views
But that isn't what the text says... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:57:42 PM 866 Views
How can Egwene be strong enough to overcome Katerine and Silviana together then? Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:07:36 PM 1106 Views
She also says Egwene is Aes Sedai in the same sentence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:25:16 PM 1131 Views
Yeah, both were RJ Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 973 Views
Yeah yeah... RJ lied, Maria lied. Only you make sense. I'm finished with this debate. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:59:06 PM 1068 Views
Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:07:52 PM 1066 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:29:22 PM 924 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:39:21 PM 1030 Views
Re: Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:43:41 PM 912 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:50:23 PM 1076 Views
I haven't refuted? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:53:17 PM 1115 Views
Here's what is clear: Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:02:41 PM 972 Views
IMO it's easy to disprove Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:22:23 PM 957 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:34 PM 865 Views
At least we agree on one thing Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:29:14 PM 975 Views
No... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:32:06 PM 915 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:43:59 PM 1056 Views
fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:57:25 PM 911 Views
Re: Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:12:29 PM 997 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:34:28 PM 1013 Views
Thought on this darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:09:29 PM 921 Views
yet 4 women can still hold Rand in LoC ... he can't break the Shield until it's down to 3 darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 12:47:43 PM 804 Views
Have to agree with Sidious on this point darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 02:49:58 AM 902 Views
That was kind of my point... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:19:23 PM 635 Views
of course Katerine would have complained darius_sedai - 12/06/2010 12:53:31 PM 1029 Views
The rate forkroot wears off? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:36:38 PM 997 Views
You missed that she isn't being given Forkroot at night at all! fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:47:59 PM 923 Views
Typos, screwed up what I meant Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/06/2010 02:31:50 AM 935 Views
You are... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:32:47 AM 1150 Views
Maria's other answer adresses this... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:14:54 PM 806 Views
Then one Aes Sedai cannot shield her. But one did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:41 PM 929 Views
You can be much weaker than someone, and hold them shielded, if they are already cut off... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:19:15 PM 910 Views
But, if you are much stronger, you can break that shield... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:22:25 PM 920 Views
Easy... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:24:59 PM 884 Views
What has that got to do with it? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:32:56 PM 1073 Views
Amys is not LESS than half of Egwene's strength. You cannot hold someone if you are LESS than half.. Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:47:41 PM 985 Views
Amys is as strong as Moiraine, at the most one level lower. Barasine is weaker than Katarine, who... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:00:26 PM 1114 Views
I can agree with that. Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:09:07 PM 871 Views
How can you agree with it? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:13:55 PM 1073 Views
I'm thinking Berowin here... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:16:41 PM 1077 Views
Exactly. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:18:19 PM 935 Views
... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:12:21 PM 871 Views
Agreed, but... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:13:59 PM 1027 Views
Re: Agreed, but... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:16:30 PM 829 Views
Good point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:18:53 PM 1040 Views
Or, you know, you're wrong? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:55 PM 908 Views
Re: Good point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:28:02 PM 1110 Views
We've had this discussion before darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:59:34 PM 1013 Views
Or, you know, you can have the grace to question your antiquated strength list... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:22:51 PM 906 Views
The Bell Curve fits perfectly if one simple fact is true... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:31:31 PM 860 Views
Or, you know, you can stop misinterpreting Aviendha... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:40:05 PM 984 Views
I'd be perfectly happy to adjust my list if it made sense Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:32:35 PM 850 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:41:59 PM 849 Views
Re: Uhhh? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:48:58 PM 850 Views
DUDE! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:58:59 PM 877 Views
Re: DUDE! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:09:11 PM 849 Views
I explained... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:27:44 PM 862 Views
Re: I explained... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:45:58 PM 1019 Views
Rand seems to shield Egwene and Elayne TOGETHER, pretty easily... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:54:03 PM 1499 Views
That's fairly simple, actually... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:08:53 PM 1102 Views
Nope. Rand was also cut off from the Source when he broke a shield held by 3 Aes Sedai... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:18:41 PM 1051 Views
Because that channeler is much stronger? I'm not getting your confusion here. *NM* fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:27:31 PM 508 Views
Your Aes Sedai are close to the average woman in strength, right... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:42:01 PM 1119 Views
You are making a couple of mistakes darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:28:41 PM 972 Views
You're missing an important point... fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:10:55 PM 964 Views
Yes, what do you mean? You are actually proving our point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:10:50 PM 835 Views
No, here's the quote: I hate having to pull out my books with their yellowed pages... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:01:54 PM 896 Views
Why would she need surprise against two? That was against five of them... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:04:57 PM 909 Views
That makes no sense whatsoever... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:06:53 PM 880 Views
Simply this... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:13:42 PM 900 Views
Very poor evidence Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:11:26 PM 1029 Views
No it isn't... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:18:09 PM 976 Views
Re: No it isn't... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:32:17 PM 1050 Views
no she said Egwene is stronger than Amys and Melaine combined darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 12:46:29 AM 976 Views
The actual quote says Amys and Melaine combined... Shannow - 11/06/2010 12:25:07 PM 1022 Views
Here's the problem with that... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:42:41 PM 883 Views
Linked circles are more effective than individual channelers... Shannow - 11/06/2010 01:57:43 PM 980 Views
That much stronger? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:06:18 PM 1041 Views
On this we agree. darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:34:45 PM 861 Views
I think you are misreading her. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:47:06 PM 847 Views
Bingo *NM* Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:51:29 PM 595 Views
Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. *NM* Logain - 10/06/2010 09:23:36 PM 545 Views
Re: Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 10:11:23 PM 1075 Views
Yes. You can't extrapolate a generalized macro level scale to micro level individuals. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:16:24 AM 912 Views
I don't agree Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:49:41 PM 898 Views
BAH! Its infuriating how you have so many blinders... Eerily Aes Sedai of you. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:23 PM 1080 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:55:59 PM 836 Views
Because of the question to which she responded... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:57:55 PM 846 Views
Re: Because of the question to which she responded... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:06:16 PM 1000 Views
Without contradicting the latter... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:15:11 PM 882 Views
Ah well Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:20:32 PM 877 Views
Which is even more evidence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:23:28 PM 958 Views
Dude Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:30:57 PM 1068 Views
It isn't omission fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 10:54:47 PM 1034 Views
omg not this again *NM* BlackAdder - 10/06/2010 07:52:26 PM 995 Views
Great! Two of my OP strength ideas have been solidified! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:39:53 PM 1105 Views
Nope... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:46:31 PM 963 Views
Who said Cadsuane was 50? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:51:14 PM 998 Views
So how can Egwene be twice as strong as Moiraine, if Moiraine is at 55? Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:53:11 PM 861 Views
She cannot be because she isn't. Silviana can shield Egwene alone, for God's sake. So can Amys! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:56:26 PM 807 Views
Amys can't hold her properly Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:59:47 PM 839 Views
What about later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:02:16 PM 844 Views
No she didn't darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 03:02:21 PM 963 Views
No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:46:05 PM 1010 Views
Re: No she didn't what? darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:16:16 AM 846 Views
Re: No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 06:02:57 PM 1001 Views
you are arguing in a circle darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:31:19 PM 1324 Views
Why do you think it's a linear scale? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 05:25:56 AM 970 Views
That's simple... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 922 Views
Re: That's simple... Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:27:07 PM 880 Views
Your concept is not mathematically right. So yeah, forget discussing it. fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:41:13 PM 1066 Views
Dang, Cyndane isn't using Cabriana's body. Gher - 10/06/2010 08:25:20 PM 916 Views
But they didn't look alike anyway. *NM* Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:59:35 PM 592 Views
Eh, yeah. Gher - 12/06/2010 08:24:10 PM 862 Views
The blue flash RAFO irritates me- I can't see how that will be relevant. The Min thing was new beetnemesis - 10/06/2010 08:50:52 PM 1044 Views
RJ already RAFOed the incident with Thom's knives/daggers before Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:57:52 PM 1128 Views
They RAFO way too much. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:56 AM 845 Views
It isn't, unless she's implying the Creator helped him out or some other such thing RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:56:49 AM 876 Views
Just to make things clear on the strength thing... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:08:02 PM 1152 Views
It is possible Maria was answering the first question and ignoring the second... Logain - 10/06/2010 09:29:59 PM 884 Views
That still proves my point... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:33:10 PM 1055 Views
Re: That still proves my point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:45:39 PM 923 Views
Then why... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:00:00 PM 1010 Views
Re: Then why... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:07:56 PM 884 Views
God, what stupidity! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:10:32 PM 871 Views
Re: God, what stupidity! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:16:38 PM 973 Views
It doesn't have to be 1-100. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:32:17 PM 918 Views
Re: It doesn't have to be 1-100. Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:41:02 PM 1197 Views
That's a mathematical impossibility... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:26:23 PM 1041 Views
Just popping in. I think you're arguing over non-existent delineations. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:44:40 AM 964 Views
You're pretty much agreeing with me, you know? fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:32:44 PM 932 Views
Yes. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/06/2010 10:31:00 PM 1046 Views
Re: Just to make things clear on the strength thing... Bored - 14/06/2010 11:21:31 PM 1254 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:48:43 PM 849 Views
Also interesting... Etzel - 10/06/2010 09:38:27 PM 997 Views
I'm even more confused (parallel worlds and the Pattern) entyti - 10/06/2010 09:48:17 PM 963 Views
Nah,... DomA - 11/06/2010 11:38:20 AM 952 Views
Fascinating! entyti - 13/06/2010 02:30:42 AM 1035 Views
You know, these things always end up pissing me off. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:05 AM 949 Views
I think she's saving that info for her WoT Encyclopedia. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:54:38 AM 1013 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. TaskmasterJack - 11/06/2010 03:22:53 AM 1057 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. DomA - 11/06/2010 12:29:37 PM 988 Views
I agree Etzel - 11/06/2010 01:14:36 PM 1102 Views
Re: I agree TaskmasterJack - 12/06/2010 03:02:32 PM 882 Views
BS didn't answer with "Read and find out" Etzel - 12/06/2010 03:28:05 PM 924 Views
We were speaking about Maria giving a RAFO on the topic, not Sanderson. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 12:05:17 AM 524 Views
Actually she said "No"... *NM* Etzel - 13/06/2010 01:06:18 AM 619 Views
I'll rephrase then. It was about Maria saying that she considered giving a RAFO on the question. TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 01:44:19 AM 930 Views
Yeah, sorry for the rolly-eyed smiley! Was a bit mean... Etzel - 13/06/2010 09:19:13 AM 936 Views
I agree with Jack and Sidious and not with you. Tom - 11/06/2010 03:20:30 PM 1040 Views
Well, on the Thom question... Etzel - 11/06/2010 08:25:09 AM 911 Views
Yeah Sidious - 11/06/2010 08:26:33 AM 1015 Views
Re: Yeah darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 12:25:21 AM 870 Views
Eh, practically useless. callandor1000 - 14/06/2010 11:50:06 PM 873 Views
I agree. I think she is saving the good stuff for the encyclopedia. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/06/2010 04:17:07 PM 488 Views
Yeah. I do think she's taking advantage of these poor saps, though. callandor1000 - 17/06/2010 03:52:33 PM 1453 Views
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