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I'm even more confused (parallel worlds and the Pattern) entyti Send a noteboard - 10/06/2010 09:48:17 PM
4. Question—On RJ’s Q&A on the Mirror/Parallel worlds from DragonCon ’05.

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Q53: Are Parallel worlds and Mirror worlds the same thing?
RJ: No, they are different.
Q54: Do Parallel Worlds have their own reflections?
RJ: Possibly.
Q55: Do Portal Stones lead to Parallel Worlds, Mirror Worlds, or both?
RJ: They lead to Mirror Worlds, the Portal Stones can take you to Mirror Worlds, not to Parallels, which are separate.

My thought was always that Mirror Worlds are reflections no matter how solid, whilst Parallel Worlds were completely distinct universes. As real and vital as our own. That was how Rand could lose in the Mirror Worlds and it not result in the Dark One winning. But that’s all my thoughts, I was mainly just wondering at the distinctions between the two, and whether the world Rand visited was special, or if that’s just my own stupidity in play.

Maria Answers—I think that you are correct, but I can’t back it up


I was always under the impression that Parallel Worlds and Mirror Worlds were the same. My belief comes from Verin's description of the Pattern to Egwene in tDR. If you make one choice, that's one reality. You make another choice, that's a different reality. Egwene even mentions Portal Stones, and Verin nods. She followes this description by drawing parallel lines.

Verin continues the conversation by saying there are a different set of realities which lie across these Worlds, and draws lines perpendicular to the parallel lines. These were the realities I asserted were occupied by the likes of the 'Finns.

Tel'Aran'Rhiod filled the space between these Parallel and Perpendicular Worlds.

To conclude (my understanding of the WoTverse):
a. Parallel Worlds and Mirror worlds are the same
b. Perpendicular Worlds exist, and are the realms of (at the very least) the 'Finns
c. Tel'aran'rhiod is the in-between.

This obviously does not coincide with the above revelations, though I believe there may be a confusion of terms and definitions. I will have to go back and reread that Verin conversation, but if anyone can back me up/contest me on this...?
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Several good MAFOs from Dragonmount Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:07:55 PM 2336 Views
Some good RAFOs here Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:31:56 PM 1086 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:36:55 PM 970 Views
Maria's answer to question 20 is ground-breaking! Logain - 10/06/2010 07:36:40 PM 1272 Views
No, it merely means that the Bell Curve does not refer to absolute strength... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:42:31 PM 1118 Views
See the question again man! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:48:57 PM 1090 Views
That contradicts your assertion that Moiraine is stronger than the average woman... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:50:11 PM 1186 Views
How? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:41 PM 1120 Views
I need to re-evaluate nothing! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:46:20 PM 1122 Views
Think logically for a moment... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:49:10 PM 946 Views
Who said Egwene is twice as strong as Moiraine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:52:27 PM 1243 Views
Aviendha did in FoH... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:54:32 PM 930 Views
Nope! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:55:55 PM 1104 Views
Your quotes are faulty Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:57:18 PM 1113 Views
In what sense though? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:59:00 PM 1101 Views
Forkroot Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:04:50 PM 1056 Views
Again... later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:05:39 PM 914 Views
What do you mean? Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:07:24 PM 1095 Views
See below... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:11:24 PM 973 Views
Re: See below... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:12:34 PM 1043 Views
I just did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:09 PM 879 Views
Well then we disagree Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:18:10 PM 1090 Views
BUT WHAT ABOUT LATER IN THE NIGHT! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:20:21 PM 915 Views
Ah, you mean later later ... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:29:59 PM 1018 Views
Forkroot wears off, you know? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:45:33 PM 1111 Views
Yes I know Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:05:29 PM 1115 Views
I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:17:10 PM 1091 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:37:39 PM 1085 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:51:40 PM 1021 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:05:37 PM 1061 Views
Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:18:44 PM 1110 Views
Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:29:04 PM 1213 Views
Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:47:00 PM 1008 Views
RJ writes that Amys cannot hold Egwene. BS writes that Barasene can. Who are you gonna believe? Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:31:35 PM 929 Views
It wasn't BS... both were RJ! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:41:54 PM 1015 Views
In that case, there is no problem... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:45:05 PM 1136 Views
But that isn't what the text says... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:57:42 PM 884 Views
How can Egwene be strong enough to overcome Katerine and Silviana together then? Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:07:36 PM 1127 Views
She also says Egwene is Aes Sedai in the same sentence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:25:16 PM 1150 Views
Yeah, both were RJ Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 996 Views
Yeah yeah... RJ lied, Maria lied. Only you make sense. I'm finished with this debate. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:59:06 PM 1090 Views
Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:07:52 PM 1085 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:29:22 PM 949 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:39:21 PM 1051 Views
Re: Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:43:41 PM 932 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:50:23 PM 1095 Views
I haven't refuted? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:53:17 PM 1133 Views
Here's what is clear: Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:02:41 PM 991 Views
IMO it's easy to disprove Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:22:23 PM 976 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:34 PM 885 Views
At least we agree on one thing Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:29:14 PM 997 Views
No... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:32:06 PM 953 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:43:59 PM 1074 Views
fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:57:25 PM 933 Views
Re: Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:12:29 PM 1017 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:34:28 PM 1033 Views
Thought on this darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:09:29 PM 940 Views
yet 4 women can still hold Rand in LoC ... he can't break the Shield until it's down to 3 darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 12:47:43 PM 821 Views
Have to agree with Sidious on this point darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 02:49:58 AM 922 Views
That was kind of my point... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:19:23 PM 655 Views
of course Katerine would have complained darius_sedai - 12/06/2010 12:53:31 PM 1046 Views
The rate forkroot wears off? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:36:38 PM 1038 Views
You missed that she isn't being given Forkroot at night at all! fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:47:59 PM 944 Views
Typos, screwed up what I meant Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/06/2010 02:31:50 AM 949 Views
You are... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:32:47 AM 1173 Views
Maria's other answer adresses this... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:14:54 PM 829 Views
Then one Aes Sedai cannot shield her. But one did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:41 PM 949 Views
You can be much weaker than someone, and hold them shielded, if they are already cut off... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:19:15 PM 930 Views
But, if you are much stronger, you can break that shield... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:22:25 PM 940 Views
Easy... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:24:59 PM 905 Views
What has that got to do with it? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:32:56 PM 1092 Views
Amys is not LESS than half of Egwene's strength. You cannot hold someone if you are LESS than half.. Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:47:41 PM 1006 Views
Amys is as strong as Moiraine, at the most one level lower. Barasine is weaker than Katarine, who... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:00:26 PM 1133 Views
I can agree with that. Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:09:07 PM 894 Views
How can you agree with it? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:13:55 PM 1097 Views
I'm thinking Berowin here... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:16:41 PM 1097 Views
Exactly. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:18:19 PM 954 Views
... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:12:21 PM 887 Views
Agreed, but... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:13:59 PM 1047 Views
Re: Agreed, but... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:16:30 PM 850 Views
Good point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:18:53 PM 1059 Views
Or, you know, you're wrong? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:55 PM 928 Views
Re: Good point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:28:02 PM 1128 Views
We've had this discussion before darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:59:34 PM 1037 Views
Or, you know, you can have the grace to question your antiquated strength list... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:22:51 PM 924 Views
The Bell Curve fits perfectly if one simple fact is true... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:31:31 PM 875 Views
Or, you know, you can stop misinterpreting Aviendha... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:40:05 PM 1003 Views
I'd be perfectly happy to adjust my list if it made sense Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:32:35 PM 868 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:41:59 PM 869 Views
Re: Uhhh? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:48:58 PM 869 Views
DUDE! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:58:59 PM 899 Views
Re: DUDE! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:09:11 PM 870 Views
I explained... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:27:44 PM 881 Views
Re: I explained... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:45:58 PM 1038 Views
Rand seems to shield Egwene and Elayne TOGETHER, pretty easily... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:54:03 PM 1535 Views
That's fairly simple, actually... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:08:53 PM 1120 Views
Nope. Rand was also cut off from the Source when he broke a shield held by 3 Aes Sedai... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:18:41 PM 1072 Views
Because that channeler is much stronger? I'm not getting your confusion here. *NM* fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:27:31 PM 516 Views
Your Aes Sedai are close to the average woman in strength, right... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:42:01 PM 1139 Views
You are making a couple of mistakes darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:28:41 PM 993 Views
You're missing an important point... fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:10:55 PM 984 Views
Yes, what do you mean? You are actually proving our point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:10:50 PM 855 Views
No, here's the quote: I hate having to pull out my books with their yellowed pages... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:01:54 PM 913 Views
Why would she need surprise against two? That was against five of them... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:04:57 PM 930 Views
That makes no sense whatsoever... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:06:53 PM 902 Views
Simply this... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:13:42 PM 921 Views
Very poor evidence Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:11:26 PM 1050 Views
No it isn't... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:18:09 PM 996 Views
Re: No it isn't... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:32:17 PM 1073 Views
no she said Egwene is stronger than Amys and Melaine combined darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 12:46:29 AM 995 Views
The actual quote says Amys and Melaine combined... Shannow - 11/06/2010 12:25:07 PM 1042 Views
Here's the problem with that... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:42:41 PM 903 Views
Linked circles are more effective than individual channelers... Shannow - 11/06/2010 01:57:43 PM 1001 Views
That much stronger? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:06:18 PM 1062 Views
On this we agree. darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:34:45 PM 880 Views
I think you are misreading her. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:47:06 PM 867 Views
Bingo *NM* Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:51:29 PM 605 Views
Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. *NM* Logain - 10/06/2010 09:23:36 PM 553 Views
Re: Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 10:11:23 PM 1097 Views
Yes. You can't extrapolate a generalized macro level scale to micro level individuals. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:16:24 AM 933 Views
I don't agree Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:49:41 PM 916 Views
BAH! Its infuriating how you have so many blinders... Eerily Aes Sedai of you. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:23 PM 1117 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:55:59 PM 856 Views
Because of the question to which she responded... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:57:55 PM 863 Views
Re: Because of the question to which she responded... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:06:16 PM 1021 Views
Without contradicting the latter... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:15:11 PM 901 Views
Ah well Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:20:32 PM 895 Views
Which is even more evidence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:23:28 PM 981 Views
Dude Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:30:57 PM 1087 Views
It isn't omission fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 10:54:47 PM 1053 Views
omg not this again *NM* BlackAdder - 10/06/2010 07:52:26 PM 1014 Views
Great! Two of my OP strength ideas have been solidified! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:39:53 PM 1125 Views
Nope... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:46:31 PM 983 Views
Who said Cadsuane was 50? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:51:14 PM 1018 Views
So how can Egwene be twice as strong as Moiraine, if Moiraine is at 55? Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:53:11 PM 882 Views
She cannot be because she isn't. Silviana can shield Egwene alone, for God's sake. So can Amys! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:56:26 PM 825 Views
Amys can't hold her properly Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:59:47 PM 858 Views
What about later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:02:16 PM 863 Views
No she didn't darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 03:02:21 PM 983 Views
No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:46:05 PM 1030 Views
Re: No she didn't what? darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:16:16 AM 870 Views
Re: No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 06:02:57 PM 1022 Views
you are arguing in a circle darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:31:19 PM 1344 Views
Why do you think it's a linear scale? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 05:25:56 AM 992 Views
That's simple... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 942 Views
Re: That's simple... Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:27:07 PM 899 Views
Your concept is not mathematically right. So yeah, forget discussing it. fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:41:13 PM 1085 Views
Dang, Cyndane isn't using Cabriana's body. Gher - 10/06/2010 08:25:20 PM 935 Views
But they didn't look alike anyway. *NM* Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:59:35 PM 600 Views
Eh, yeah. Gher - 12/06/2010 08:24:10 PM 883 Views
The blue flash RAFO irritates me- I can't see how that will be relevant. The Min thing was new beetnemesis - 10/06/2010 08:50:52 PM 1062 Views
RJ already RAFOed the incident with Thom's knives/daggers before Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:57:52 PM 1147 Views
They RAFO way too much. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:56 AM 864 Views
It isn't, unless she's implying the Creator helped him out or some other such thing RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:56:49 AM 894 Views
Just to make things clear on the strength thing... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:08:02 PM 1172 Views
It is possible Maria was answering the first question and ignoring the second... Logain - 10/06/2010 09:29:59 PM 902 Views
That still proves my point... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:33:10 PM 1072 Views
Re: That still proves my point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:45:39 PM 944 Views
Then why... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:00:00 PM 1026 Views
Re: Then why... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:07:56 PM 904 Views
God, what stupidity! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:10:32 PM 888 Views
Re: God, what stupidity! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:16:38 PM 993 Views
It doesn't have to be 1-100. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:32:17 PM 938 Views
Re: It doesn't have to be 1-100. Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:41:02 PM 1221 Views
That's a mathematical impossibility... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:26:23 PM 1061 Views
Just popping in. I think you're arguing over non-existent delineations. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:44:40 AM 980 Views
You're pretty much agreeing with me, you know? fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:32:44 PM 953 Views
Yes. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/06/2010 10:31:00 PM 1066 Views
Re: Just to make things clear on the strength thing... Bored - 14/06/2010 11:21:31 PM 1277 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:48:43 PM 868 Views
Also interesting... Etzel - 10/06/2010 09:38:27 PM 1018 Views
I'm even more confused (parallel worlds and the Pattern) entyti - 10/06/2010 09:48:17 PM 987 Views
Nah,... DomA - 11/06/2010 11:38:20 AM 971 Views
Fascinating! entyti - 13/06/2010 02:30:42 AM 1056 Views
You know, these things always end up pissing me off. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:05 AM 970 Views
I think she's saving that info for her WoT Encyclopedia. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:54:38 AM 1033 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. TaskmasterJack - 11/06/2010 03:22:53 AM 1076 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. DomA - 11/06/2010 12:29:37 PM 1011 Views
I agree Etzel - 11/06/2010 01:14:36 PM 1122 Views
Re: I agree TaskmasterJack - 12/06/2010 03:02:32 PM 902 Views
BS didn't answer with "Read and find out" Etzel - 12/06/2010 03:28:05 PM 943 Views
We were speaking about Maria giving a RAFO on the topic, not Sanderson. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 12:05:17 AM 532 Views
Actually she said "No"... *NM* Etzel - 13/06/2010 01:06:18 AM 626 Views
I'll rephrase then. It was about Maria saying that she considered giving a RAFO on the question. TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 01:44:19 AM 950 Views
Yeah, sorry for the rolly-eyed smiley! Was a bit mean... Etzel - 13/06/2010 09:19:13 AM 955 Views
I agree with Jack and Sidious and not with you. Tom - 11/06/2010 03:20:30 PM 1060 Views
Well, on the Thom question... Etzel - 11/06/2010 08:25:09 AM 928 Views
Yeah Sidious - 11/06/2010 08:26:33 AM 1036 Views
Re: Yeah darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 12:25:21 AM 890 Views
Eh, practically useless. callandor1000 - 14/06/2010 11:50:06 PM 894 Views
I agree. I think she is saving the good stuff for the encyclopedia. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/06/2010 04:17:07 PM 497 Views
Yeah. I do think she's taking advantage of these poor saps, though. callandor1000 - 17/06/2010 03:52:33 PM 1473 Views
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