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Nah,... DomA Send a noteboard - 11/06/2010 11:38:20 AM
There's no confusion. This was clarified years ago by RJ, incidentally.

Neither Maria nor RJ use the expression "parallel world" in the strict geometric sense like Verin did, she's just means these worlds aren't Mirrors but "real" universes just as real as the one humans inhabit.

Verin draw these worlds as perpendiculars in her metaphor, to mean these worlds follow a course of their own and were not reflections of the human world, that together their form the wharf and woof of reality. Her imagery was very human centric (and flawed - the way she puts it, the relationship between the other realms would be similar to the Mirror Worlds to the human world), and of course it was just an image, derived from channelling the OP, like the rest (the channellers have developped this imagery that reality is woven together, like they weave flows of the OP). The realms aren't perpendicular or parallel for real. There are parallel realms like the Ogier's, the human's, the Finns. All these worlds are multi-dimensional (ie: mirrored infinitely), like the human one. The realms are all tied by tel'aran'rhiod.

The Bore is global, with a physical manifestation at SG (at the cosmic level, the Bore is a global weakening of the Pattern, within the Pattern itself, where there are rules of space/time and reality, this is manifested as the Pit, SG and has bled into the Blight etc.). The Bore is reflected in all the Mirror Worlds too, and they're affected by the global weakening like everything else in the Pattern. We don't know if the Realms other than the human one (ie: Finns, Ogier etc.) also have a physical manifestation too (different from SG), or if they are affected only by the global effect that weakens the Pattern.

I'm leaning toward option 2, if only because it may explain why Ogier have been translated into the human world, and why the Finns are interested in Mat. I think the two realms are affected by the DO, but they can't do anything to fix it up in their own worlds. The Ogier who've been translated are there to do their part to fight Shai'tan before they return to their realm. The Finns intend to use Mat to do their part, whatever they intend it to be. I think it's why they use Moiraine as bait to bring him back to them right before TG. It could be anything, from giving him powers or knowledge, to using their link to him to affect the himan world, to needing him to open the ToG when he leaves so they can come in the human world en masse to fight the LB too (if the ToG is a barrier, they may need Mat to agree to re open it for them in order to go back to their realm after TG, or something in this vein).





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God, what stupidity! - 10/06/2010 10:10:32 PM 870 Views
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It doesn't have to be 1-100. - 10/06/2010 10:32:17 PM 918 Views
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Just popping in. I think you're arguing over non-existent delineations. - 11/06/2010 12:44:40 AM 964 Views
You're pretty much agreeing with me, you know? - 11/06/2010 12:32:44 PM 932 Views
Yes. - 14/06/2010 10:31:00 PM 1046 Views
Re: Just to make things clear on the strength thing... - 14/06/2010 11:21:31 PM 1254 Views
Huh? - 14/06/2010 11:48:43 PM 847 Views
Also interesting... - 10/06/2010 09:38:27 PM 997 Views
I'm even more confused (parallel worlds and the Pattern) - 10/06/2010 09:48:17 PM 962 Views
Nah,... - 11/06/2010 11:38:20 AM 952 Views
Fascinating! - 13/06/2010 02:30:42 AM 1035 Views
You know, these things always end up pissing me off. - 11/06/2010 12:25:05 AM 949 Views
I think she's saving that info for her WoT Encyclopedia. - 11/06/2010 12:54:38 AM 1013 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. - 11/06/2010 03:22:53 AM 1057 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. - 11/06/2010 12:29:37 PM 986 Views
I agree - 11/06/2010 01:14:36 PM 1100 Views
Re: I agree - 12/06/2010 03:02:32 PM 882 Views
BS didn't answer with "Read and find out" - 12/06/2010 03:28:05 PM 922 Views
We were speaking about Maria giving a RAFO on the topic, not Sanderson. *NM* - 13/06/2010 12:05:17 AM 524 Views
Actually she said "No"... *NM* - 13/06/2010 01:06:18 AM 619 Views
I agree with Jack and Sidious and not with you. - 11/06/2010 03:20:30 PM 1040 Views
Well, on the Thom question... - 11/06/2010 08:25:09 AM 911 Views
Yeah - 11/06/2010 08:26:33 AM 1015 Views
Re: Yeah - 15/06/2010 12:25:21 AM 870 Views
Eh, practically useless. - 14/06/2010 11:50:06 PM 872 Views
I agree. I think she is saving the good stuff for the encyclopedia. *NM* - 15/06/2010 04:17:07 PM 488 Views
Yeah. I do think she's taking advantage of these poor saps, though. - 17/06/2010 03:52:33 PM 1453 Views

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