Egwene was only held by 1 when Forkroot was in her system or she was asleep. Every morning there were 2 AS there waiting for her with a cup of Forkroot.
Amys, who is probably around a Kiruna or perhaps a Sheriam is a little more than 50% of Egwene and could hold a shield on her for a short time, but admitted that Egwene would have broken it soon.
KoD
Honey in the Tea
That first morning before dawn, in Silviana’s study, she did her best while the Mistress of Novices plied a hard-soled slipper on her bared bottom.
...
Egwene offered her no courtesies, yet Alviarin only gave her a baleful glare before entering Silviana’s study. A fine line.
A little down the corridor, a pair of Reds stood watching, one round-faced, the other slender, both cool-eyed, with shawls draped along their arms so the long red fringe was displayed prominently. Not the same pair who had been there when she woke, but they were not present by happenstance.
Clearly 2 Reds are there at all times ... including when the Forkroot is out of her system.
Amys, who is probably around a Kiruna or perhaps a Sheriam is a little more than 50% of Egwene and could hold a shield on her for a short time, but admitted that Egwene would have broken it soon.
KoD
Honey in the Tea
That first morning before dawn, in Silviana’s study, she did her best while the Mistress of Novices plied a hard-soled slipper on her bared bottom.
...
Egwene offered her no courtesies, yet Alviarin only gave her a baleful glare before entering Silviana’s study. A fine line.
A little down the corridor, a pair of Reds stood watching, one round-faced, the other slender, both cool-eyed, with shawls draped along their arms so the long red fringe was displayed prominently. Not the same pair who had been there when she woke, but they were not present by happenstance.
Clearly 2 Reds are there at all times ... including when the Forkroot is out of her system.
See, if it was the Forkroot which allowed one sister to hold her, it makes no sense that Katerine had a problem with both her and Barasine being assigned to hold Egwene while she slept. By that point, the Forkroot was already wearing off, so if two were indeed needed to hold Egwene, Katrine wouldn't have argued, and Silviana wouldn't have said "I want two there because she's tricky". She'd have said: "Duh! She's strong enough that either one of you cannot hold her alone!".
She does it at every chance, she carefully challenged Galina in LoC, Silviana here and later she tries it with Saerin. It's part of her nature.
As for the Forkroot, we've all seen it take hours to wear off. In TGS, Egwene takes a large dose and cannot channel at all. Then she meets with Verin, and spends the better part of the night reading Verin's notes. After hours she can still barely channel a trickle. Nynaeve and Elayne had the same problem the first time we were introduced to Forkroot in tFoH
By the time they reached the kitchen, Nynaeve was tottering about without help, poking into the cupboard full of colorful canisters. Elayne needed one of the chairs. The blue canister sat on the table, and a full green teapot, but she tried not to look at them. She still could not channel. She could embrace saidar, yet it slipped away as soon as she did. At least she was confident now that the Power would return to her. The alternative was too horrible to contemplate, and she had not let herself until this moment.
And we also know that Egwene was fed Forkroot at regular intervals so Katerine likely thought 2 guards a waste of time.
As to Silviana calling Egwene tricky, I think that's simply a nod to Egwene being smart. They did just see her turn the Harbor Chain into Cuendillar, and then there is Leanne's reappearance. Who knows maybe Egwene and company have figured out a way around Forkroot or perhaps Silviana was afraid of a rescue attempt... rumors of Traveling have been flying around for months!
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
This message last edited by darius_sedai on 12/06/2010 at 12:55:16 PM
Several good MAFOs from Dragonmount
- 10/06/2010 07:07:55 PM
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Maria's answer to question 20 is ground-breaking!
- 10/06/2010 07:36:40 PM
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No, it merely means that the Bell Curve does not refer to absolute strength...
- 10/06/2010 07:42:31 PM
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See the question again man!
- 10/06/2010 07:48:57 PM
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That contradicts your assertion that Moiraine is stronger than the average woman...
- 10/06/2010 07:50:11 PM
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I need to re-evaluate nothing!
- 10/06/2010 07:46:20 PM
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- 10/06/2010 07:46:20 PM
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Think logically for a moment...
- 10/06/2010 07:49:10 PM
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Who said Egwene is twice as strong as Moiraine?
- 10/06/2010 07:52:27 PM
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Aviendha did in FoH...
- 10/06/2010 07:54:32 PM
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Nope!
- 10/06/2010 07:55:55 PM
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Your quotes are faulty
- 10/06/2010 07:57:18 PM
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In what sense though?
- 10/06/2010 07:59:00 PM
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Forkroot
- 10/06/2010 08:04:50 PM
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Again... later that night?
- 10/06/2010 08:05:39 PM
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What do you mean?
- 10/06/2010 08:07:24 PM
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See below...
- 10/06/2010 08:11:24 PM
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Re: See below...
- 10/06/2010 08:12:34 PM
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I just did.
- 10/06/2010 08:16:09 PM
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Well then we disagree
- 10/06/2010 08:18:10 PM
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BUT WHAT ABOUT LATER IN THE NIGHT!
- 10/06/2010 08:20:21 PM
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Ah, you mean later later ...
- 10/06/2010 08:29:59 PM
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Forkroot wears off, you know?
- 10/06/2010 08:45:33 PM
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Yes I know
- 10/06/2010 09:05:29 PM
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I've explained it before in this thread...
- 10/06/2010 09:17:10 PM
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Re: I've explained it before in this thread...
- 10/06/2010 09:37:39 PM
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Re: I've explained it before in this thread...
- 10/06/2010 09:51:40 PM
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Re: I've explained it before in this thread...
- 10/06/2010 10:05:37 PM
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Are you sure you're feeling fine?
- 10/06/2010 10:18:44 PM
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RJ writes that Amys cannot hold Egwene. BS writes that Barasene can. Who are you gonna believe?
- 10/06/2010 08:31:35 PM
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It wasn't BS... both were RJ!
- 10/06/2010 08:41:54 PM
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In that case, there is no problem...
- 10/06/2010 08:45:05 PM
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But that isn't what the text says...
- 10/06/2010 08:57:42 PM
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How can Egwene be strong enough to overcome Katerine and Silviana together then?
- 10/06/2010 09:07:36 PM
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Yeah, both were RJ
- 10/06/2010 08:49:13 PM
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Yeah yeah... RJ lied, Maria lied. Only you make sense. I'm finished with this debate.
- 10/06/2010 08:59:06 PM
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- 10/06/2010 09:07:52 PM
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- 10/06/2010 09:07:52 PM
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Really?
- 10/06/2010 09:29:22 PM
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Re: Really?
- 10/06/2010 09:39:21 PM
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Here's what is clear:
- 10/06/2010 09:02:41 PM
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IMO it's easy to disprove
- 10/06/2010 09:22:23 PM
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Dude...
- 10/06/2010 09:27:34 PM
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At least we agree on one thing
- 10/06/2010 09:29:14 PM
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yet 4 women can still hold Rand in LoC ... he can't break the Shield until it's down to 3
- 13/06/2010 12:47:43 PM
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Have to agree with Sidious on this point
- 11/06/2010 02:49:58 AM
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That was kind of my point...
- 11/06/2010 12:19:23 PM
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of course Katerine would have complained
- 12/06/2010 12:53:31 PM
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The rate forkroot wears off?
- 16/06/2010 12:36:38 PM
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You missed that she isn't being given Forkroot at night at all!
- 16/06/2010 04:47:59 PM
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Maria's other answer adresses this...
- 10/06/2010 08:14:54 PM
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Then one Aes Sedai cannot shield her. But one did.
- 10/06/2010 08:16:41 PM
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You can be much weaker than someone, and hold them shielded, if they are already cut off...
- 10/06/2010 08:19:15 PM
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But, if you are much stronger, you can break that shield...
- 10/06/2010 08:22:25 PM
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Easy...
- 10/06/2010 08:24:59 PM
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What has that got to do with it?
- 10/06/2010 08:32:56 PM
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Amys is not LESS than half of Egwene's strength. You cannot hold someone if you are LESS than half..
- 10/06/2010 08:47:41 PM
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Amys is as strong as Moiraine, at the most one level lower. Barasine is weaker than Katarine, who...
- 10/06/2010 09:00:26 PM
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I can agree with that.
- 10/06/2010 09:09:07 PM
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...
- 10/06/2010 09:12:21 PM
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Agreed, but...
- 10/06/2010 09:13:59 PM
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Re: Agreed, but...
- 10/06/2010 09:16:30 PM
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Good point...
- 10/06/2010 09:18:53 PM
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Or, you know, you can have the grace to question your antiquated strength list...
- 10/06/2010 09:22:51 PM
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I'd be perfectly happy to adjust my list if it made sense
- 10/06/2010 09:32:35 PM
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Uhhh?
- 10/06/2010 09:41:59 PM
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Re: Uhhh?
- 10/06/2010 09:48:58 PM
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DUDE!
- 10/06/2010 09:58:59 PM
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Rand seems to shield Egwene and Elayne TOGETHER, pretty easily...
- 10/06/2010 09:54:03 PM
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That's fairly simple, actually...
- 10/06/2010 10:08:53 PM
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Nope. Rand was also cut off from the Source when he broke a shield held by 3 Aes Sedai...
- 10/06/2010 11:18:41 PM
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Because that channeler is much stronger? I'm not getting your confusion here. *NM*
- 10/06/2010 11:27:31 PM
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Your Aes Sedai are close to the average woman in strength, right...
- 10/06/2010 11:42:01 PM
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No, here's the quote: I hate having to pull out my books with their yellowed pages...
- 10/06/2010 08:01:54 PM
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Why would she need surprise against two? That was against five of them...
- 10/06/2010 08:04:57 PM
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Very poor evidence
- 10/06/2010 08:11:26 PM
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no she said Egwene is stronger than Amys and Melaine combined
- 11/06/2010 12:46:29 AM
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The actual quote says Amys and Melaine combined...
- 11/06/2010 12:25:07 PM
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Here's the problem with that...
- 11/06/2010 12:42:41 PM
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I think you are misreading her.
- 10/06/2010 07:47:06 PM
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Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. *NM*
- 10/06/2010 09:23:36 PM
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Re: Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution.
- 10/06/2010 10:11:23 PM
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Yes. You can't extrapolate a generalized macro level scale to micro level individuals.
- 11/06/2010 12:16:24 AM
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I don't agree
- 10/06/2010 07:49:41 PM
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BAH! Its infuriating how you have so many blinders... Eerily Aes Sedai of you.
- 10/06/2010 07:54:23 PM
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Hmm...
- 10/06/2010 07:55:59 PM
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Because of the question to which she responded...
- 10/06/2010 07:57:55 PM
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Re: Because of the question to which she responded...
- 10/06/2010 08:06:16 PM
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Without contradicting the latter...
- 10/06/2010 08:15:11 PM
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Ah well
- 10/06/2010 08:20:32 PM
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Great! Two of my OP strength ideas have been solidified!
- 10/06/2010 07:39:53 PM
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Nope...
- 10/06/2010 07:46:31 PM
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Who said Cadsuane was 50?
- 10/06/2010 07:51:14 PM
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So how can Egwene be twice as strong as Moiraine, if Moiraine is at 55?
- 10/06/2010 07:53:11 PM
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She cannot be because she isn't. Silviana can shield Egwene alone, for God's sake. So can Amys!
- 10/06/2010 07:56:26 PM
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Amys can't hold her properly
- 10/06/2010 07:59:47 PM
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What about later that night?
- 10/06/2010 08:02:16 PM
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No she didn't
- 16/06/2010 03:02:21 PM
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No she didn't what?
- 16/06/2010 04:46:05 PM
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Re: No she didn't what?
- 17/06/2010 06:16:16 AM
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Why do you think it's a linear scale?
- 16/06/2010 05:25:56 AM
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That's simple...
- 16/06/2010 06:36:44 AM
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Re: That's simple...
- 16/06/2010 12:27:07 PM
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Your concept is not mathematically right. So yeah, forget discussing it.
- 16/06/2010 04:41:13 PM
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Dang, Cyndane isn't using Cabriana's body.
- 10/06/2010 08:25:20 PM
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The blue flash RAFO irritates me- I can't see how that will be relevant. The Min thing was new
- 10/06/2010 08:50:52 PM
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RJ already RAFOed the incident with Thom's knives/daggers before
- 10/06/2010 08:57:52 PM
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It isn't, unless she's implying the Creator helped him out or some other such thing
- 11/06/2010 12:56:49 AM
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Just to make things clear on the strength thing...
- 10/06/2010 09:08:02 PM
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It is possible Maria was answering the first question and ignoring the second...
- 10/06/2010 09:29:59 PM
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That still proves my point...
- 10/06/2010 09:33:10 PM
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Re: That still proves my point...
- 10/06/2010 09:45:39 PM
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Then why...
- 10/06/2010 10:00:00 PM
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Re: Then why...
- 10/06/2010 10:07:56 PM
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God, what stupidity!
- 10/06/2010 10:10:32 PM
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Re: God, what stupidity!
- 10/06/2010 10:16:38 PM
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It doesn't have to be 1-100.
- 10/06/2010 10:32:17 PM
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Re: It doesn't have to be 1-100.
- 10/06/2010 10:41:02 PM
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That's a mathematical impossibility...
- 10/06/2010 11:26:23 PM
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Just popping in. I think you're arguing over non-existent delineations.
- 11/06/2010 12:44:40 AM
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You know, these things always end up pissing me off.
- 11/06/2010 12:25:05 AM
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Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off.
- 11/06/2010 03:22:53 AM
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Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off.
- 11/06/2010 12:29:37 PM
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I agree
- 11/06/2010 01:14:36 PM
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Re: I agree
- 12/06/2010 03:02:32 PM
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BS didn't answer with "Read and find out"
- 12/06/2010 03:28:05 PM
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We were speaking about Maria giving a RAFO on the topic, not Sanderson. *NM*
- 13/06/2010 12:05:17 AM
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Actually she said "No"...
*NM*
- 13/06/2010 01:06:18 AM
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*NM*
- 13/06/2010 01:06:18 AM
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I'll rephrase then. It was about Maria saying that she considered giving a RAFO on the question.
- 13/06/2010 01:44:19 AM
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Eh, practically useless.
- 14/06/2010 11:50:06 PM
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I agree. I think she is saving the good stuff for the encyclopedia. *NM*
- 15/06/2010 04:17:07 PM
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Yeah. I do think she's taking advantage of these poor saps, though.
- 17/06/2010 03:52:33 PM
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