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Huh? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 14/06/2010 11:48:43 PM

Good lord I hate this argument.

Try to read her response this way: "Jim described it as a bell curve, with most channelers in the middle of the bell curve"

Italicized part by me.

The quote says nothing about the center of the bell curve being centered on some arbitrary scale of strength. It only says that there is a large grouping around a peak point and decreasing numbers of channelers the further you get from the arbitrary center in either direction.

This is the very difinition of a bell curve.

I'm assuming you know that for there to be a bell curve, there would have to be a distribution of something over a population (or sample set, if you want to get technical)?

The debate is over what that something is. I'm arguing that since the subject matter of the question was strength, it is strength that would be in the X-axis of the bell curve.

And thank you for explaining the bell curve to me. I wouldn't have known, otherwise... 8}
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Several good MAFOs from Dragonmount Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:07:55 PM 2293 Views
Some good RAFOs here Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:31:56 PM 1045 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:36:55 PM 932 Views
Maria's answer to question 20 is ground-breaking! Logain - 10/06/2010 07:36:40 PM 1223 Views
No, it merely means that the Bell Curve does not refer to absolute strength... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:42:31 PM 1080 Views
See the question again man! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:48:57 PM 1049 Views
That contradicts your assertion that Moiraine is stronger than the average woman... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:50:11 PM 1143 Views
How? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:41 PM 1072 Views
I need to re-evaluate nothing! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:46:20 PM 1070 Views
Think logically for a moment... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:49:10 PM 903 Views
Who said Egwene is twice as strong as Moiraine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:52:27 PM 1181 Views
Aviendha did in FoH... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:54:32 PM 895 Views
Nope! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:55:55 PM 1066 Views
Your quotes are faulty Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:57:18 PM 1072 Views
In what sense though? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:59:00 PM 1066 Views
Forkroot Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:04:50 PM 1006 Views
Again... later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:05:39 PM 876 Views
What do you mean? Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:07:24 PM 1053 Views
See below... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:11:24 PM 931 Views
Re: See below... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:12:34 PM 1002 Views
I just did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:09 PM 837 Views
Well then we disagree Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:18:10 PM 1041 Views
BUT WHAT ABOUT LATER IN THE NIGHT! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:20:21 PM 877 Views
Ah, you mean later later ... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:29:59 PM 976 Views
Forkroot wears off, you know? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:45:33 PM 1070 Views
Yes I know Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:05:29 PM 1079 Views
I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:17:10 PM 1053 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:37:39 PM 1048 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:51:40 PM 980 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:05:37 PM 1010 Views
Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:18:44 PM 1070 Views
Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:29:04 PM 1173 Views
Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:47:00 PM 971 Views
RJ writes that Amys cannot hold Egwene. BS writes that Barasene can. Who are you gonna believe? Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:31:35 PM 890 Views
It wasn't BS... both were RJ! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:41:54 PM 975 Views
In that case, there is no problem... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:45:05 PM 1006 Views
But that isn't what the text says... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:57:42 PM 849 Views
How can Egwene be strong enough to overcome Katerine and Silviana together then? Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:07:36 PM 1085 Views
She also says Egwene is Aes Sedai in the same sentence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:25:16 PM 1110 Views
Yeah, both were RJ Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 956 Views
Yeah yeah... RJ lied, Maria lied. Only you make sense. I'm finished with this debate. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:59:06 PM 1052 Views
Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:07:52 PM 1038 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:29:22 PM 904 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:39:21 PM 1013 Views
Re: Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:43:41 PM 893 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:50:23 PM 1057 Views
I haven't refuted? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:53:17 PM 1083 Views
Here's what is clear: Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:02:41 PM 955 Views
IMO it's easy to disprove Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:22:23 PM 935 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:34 PM 841 Views
At least we agree on one thing Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:29:14 PM 956 Views
No... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:32:06 PM 888 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:43:59 PM 1036 Views
fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:57:25 PM 885 Views
Re: Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:12:29 PM 980 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:34:28 PM 991 Views
Thought on this darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:09:29 PM 905 Views
yet 4 women can still hold Rand in LoC ... he can't break the Shield until it's down to 3 darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 12:47:43 PM 788 Views
Have to agree with Sidious on this point darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 02:49:58 AM 888 Views
That was kind of my point... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:19:23 PM 615 Views
of course Katerine would have complained darius_sedai - 12/06/2010 12:53:31 PM 1009 Views
The rate forkroot wears off? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:36:38 PM 966 Views
You missed that she isn't being given Forkroot at night at all! fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:47:59 PM 904 Views
Typos, screwed up what I meant Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/06/2010 02:31:50 AM 914 Views
You are... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:32:47 AM 1133 Views
Maria's other answer adresses this... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:14:54 PM 788 Views
Then one Aes Sedai cannot shield her. But one did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:41 PM 910 Views
You can be much weaker than someone, and hold them shielded, if they are already cut off... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:19:15 PM 887 Views
But, if you are much stronger, you can break that shield... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:22:25 PM 903 Views
Easy... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:24:59 PM 865 Views
What has that got to do with it? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:32:56 PM 1053 Views
Amys is not LESS than half of Egwene's strength. You cannot hold someone if you are LESS than half.. Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:47:41 PM 967 Views
Amys is as strong as Moiraine, at the most one level lower. Barasine is weaker than Katarine, who... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:00:26 PM 1098 Views
I can agree with that. Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:09:07 PM 854 Views
How can you agree with it? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:13:55 PM 1056 Views
I'm thinking Berowin here... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:16:41 PM 1059 Views
Exactly. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:18:19 PM 916 Views
... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:12:21 PM 839 Views
Agreed, but... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:13:59 PM 1010 Views
Re: Agreed, but... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:16:30 PM 810 Views
Good point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:18:53 PM 1022 Views
Or, you know, you're wrong? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:55 PM 890 Views
Re: Good point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:28:02 PM 1093 Views
We've had this discussion before darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:59:34 PM 991 Views
Or, you know, you can have the grace to question your antiquated strength list... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:22:51 PM 885 Views
The Bell Curve fits perfectly if one simple fact is true... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:31:31 PM 841 Views
Or, you know, you can stop misinterpreting Aviendha... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:40:05 PM 965 Views
I'd be perfectly happy to adjust my list if it made sense Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:32:35 PM 831 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:41:59 PM 829 Views
Re: Uhhh? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:48:58 PM 830 Views
DUDE! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:58:59 PM 862 Views
Re: DUDE! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:09:11 PM 820 Views
I explained... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:27:44 PM 843 Views
Re: I explained... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:45:58 PM 974 Views
Rand seems to shield Egwene and Elayne TOGETHER, pretty easily... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:54:03 PM 1438 Views
That's fairly simple, actually... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:08:53 PM 1083 Views
Nope. Rand was also cut off from the Source when he broke a shield held by 3 Aes Sedai... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:18:41 PM 1033 Views
Because that channeler is much stronger? I'm not getting your confusion here. *NM* fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:27:31 PM 500 Views
Your Aes Sedai are close to the average woman in strength, right... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:42:01 PM 1099 Views
You are making a couple of mistakes darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:28:41 PM 955 Views
You're missing an important point... fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:10:55 PM 944 Views
Yes, what do you mean? You are actually proving our point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:10:50 PM 817 Views
No, here's the quote: I hate having to pull out my books with their yellowed pages... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:01:54 PM 876 Views
Why would she need surprise against two? That was against five of them... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:04:57 PM 893 Views
That makes no sense whatsoever... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:06:53 PM 859 Views
Simply this... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:13:42 PM 878 Views
Very poor evidence Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:11:26 PM 1011 Views
No it isn't... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:18:09 PM 959 Views
Re: No it isn't... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:32:17 PM 1033 Views
no she said Egwene is stronger than Amys and Melaine combined darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 12:46:29 AM 959 Views
The actual quote says Amys and Melaine combined... Shannow - 11/06/2010 12:25:07 PM 1005 Views
Here's the problem with that... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:42:41 PM 861 Views
Linked circles are more effective than individual channelers... Shannow - 11/06/2010 01:57:43 PM 962 Views
That much stronger? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:06:18 PM 1022 Views
On this we agree. darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:34:45 PM 843 Views
I think you are misreading her. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:47:06 PM 827 Views
Bingo *NM* Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:51:29 PM 587 Views
Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. *NM* Logain - 10/06/2010 09:23:36 PM 538 Views
Re: Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 10:11:23 PM 1055 Views
Yes. You can't extrapolate a generalized macro level scale to micro level individuals. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:16:24 AM 895 Views
I don't agree Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:49:41 PM 879 Views
BAH! Its infuriating how you have so many blinders... Eerily Aes Sedai of you. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:23 PM 1027 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:55:59 PM 799 Views
Because of the question to which she responded... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:57:55 PM 830 Views
Re: Because of the question to which she responded... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:06:16 PM 970 Views
Without contradicting the latter... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:15:11 PM 861 Views
Ah well Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:20:32 PM 841 Views
Which is even more evidence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:23:28 PM 938 Views
Dude Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:30:57 PM 1049 Views
It isn't omission fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 10:54:47 PM 1016 Views
omg not this again *NM* BlackAdder - 10/06/2010 07:52:26 PM 976 Views
Great! Two of my OP strength ideas have been solidified! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:39:53 PM 1088 Views
Nope... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:46:31 PM 944 Views
Who said Cadsuane was 50? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:51:14 PM 979 Views
So how can Egwene be twice as strong as Moiraine, if Moiraine is at 55? Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:53:11 PM 840 Views
She cannot be because she isn't. Silviana can shield Egwene alone, for God's sake. So can Amys! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:56:26 PM 788 Views
Amys can't hold her properly Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:59:47 PM 820 Views
What about later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:02:16 PM 825 Views
No she didn't darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 03:02:21 PM 937 Views
No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:46:05 PM 992 Views
Re: No she didn't what? darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:16:16 AM 830 Views
Re: No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 06:02:57 PM 983 Views
you are arguing in a circle darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:31:19 PM 1307 Views
Why do you think it's a linear scale? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 05:25:56 AM 952 Views
That's simple... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 905 Views
Re: That's simple... Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:27:07 PM 859 Views
Your concept is not mathematically right. So yeah, forget discussing it. fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:41:13 PM 1044 Views
Dang, Cyndane isn't using Cabriana's body. Gher - 10/06/2010 08:25:20 PM 898 Views
But they didn't look alike anyway. *NM* Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:59:35 PM 585 Views
Eh, yeah. Gher - 12/06/2010 08:24:10 PM 835 Views
The blue flash RAFO irritates me- I can't see how that will be relevant. The Min thing was new beetnemesis - 10/06/2010 08:50:52 PM 1025 Views
RJ already RAFOed the incident with Thom's knives/daggers before Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:57:52 PM 1110 Views
They RAFO way too much. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:56 AM 828 Views
It isn't, unless she's implying the Creator helped him out or some other such thing RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:56:49 AM 859 Views
Just to make things clear on the strength thing... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:08:02 PM 1136 Views
It is possible Maria was answering the first question and ignoring the second... Logain - 10/06/2010 09:29:59 PM 863 Views
That still proves my point... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:33:10 PM 1035 Views
Re: That still proves my point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:45:39 PM 893 Views
Then why... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:00:00 PM 992 Views
Re: Then why... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:07:56 PM 861 Views
God, what stupidity! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:10:32 PM 853 Views
Re: God, what stupidity! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:16:38 PM 953 Views
It doesn't have to be 1-100. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:32:17 PM 903 Views
Re: It doesn't have to be 1-100. Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:41:02 PM 1178 Views
That's a mathematical impossibility... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:26:23 PM 1021 Views
Just popping in. I think you're arguing over non-existent delineations. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:44:40 AM 944 Views
You're pretty much agreeing with me, you know? fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:32:44 PM 910 Views
Yes. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/06/2010 10:31:00 PM 1027 Views
Re: Just to make things clear on the strength thing... Bored - 14/06/2010 11:21:31 PM 1237 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:48:43 PM 830 Views
Also interesting... Etzel - 10/06/2010 09:38:27 PM 976 Views
I'm even more confused (parallel worlds and the Pattern) entyti - 10/06/2010 09:48:17 PM 945 Views
Nah,... DomA - 11/06/2010 11:38:20 AM 935 Views
Fascinating! entyti - 13/06/2010 02:30:42 AM 987 Views
You know, these things always end up pissing me off. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:05 AM 931 Views
I think she's saving that info for her WoT Encyclopedia. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:54:38 AM 997 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. TaskmasterJack - 11/06/2010 03:22:53 AM 1041 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. DomA - 11/06/2010 12:29:37 PM 972 Views
I agree Etzel - 11/06/2010 01:14:36 PM 1081 Views
Re: I agree TaskmasterJack - 12/06/2010 03:02:32 PM 864 Views
BS didn't answer with "Read and find out" Etzel - 12/06/2010 03:28:05 PM 907 Views
We were speaking about Maria giving a RAFO on the topic, not Sanderson. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 12:05:17 AM 515 Views
Actually she said "No"... *NM* Etzel - 13/06/2010 01:06:18 AM 610 Views
I'll rephrase then. It was about Maria saying that she considered giving a RAFO on the question. TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 01:44:19 AM 909 Views
Yeah, sorry for the rolly-eyed smiley! Was a bit mean... Etzel - 13/06/2010 09:19:13 AM 916 Views
I agree with Jack and Sidious and not with you. Tom - 11/06/2010 03:20:30 PM 1006 Views
Well, on the Thom question... Etzel - 11/06/2010 08:25:09 AM 892 Views
Yeah Sidious - 11/06/2010 08:26:33 AM 996 Views
Re: Yeah darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 12:25:21 AM 853 Views
Eh, practically useless. callandor1000 - 14/06/2010 11:50:06 PM 854 Views
I agree. I think she is saving the good stuff for the encyclopedia. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/06/2010 04:17:07 PM 481 Views
Yeah. I do think she's taking advantage of these poor saps, though. callandor1000 - 17/06/2010 03:52:33 PM 1437 Views
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