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It was before... both of them start using an angreal after this. fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 15/06/2010 08:52:02 PM

But besides all of that, this was a time when Rand struggled to counter weaves of saidar, and wasn't close to Lews Therin's level of skill and knowledge. Not to mention the fact that he wasn't at his full strength yet, and may well have been growing in strength right up to the time he became one with Lews Therin on Dragonmount in Book 12.

You can't have it both ways. Strength is paramount, but it is not?

The point is that Lanfear's shield was strong enough to cut him off from the source. That and that alone is the point I'm making here. And he was, at this time, as strong as Asmo at least, and as strong as Rahvin for sure.
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No three women could block him from the Source... Logain - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2280 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1354 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him Sidious - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1433 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1497 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... Logain - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1536 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. Shannow - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1426 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1372 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1465 Views
Re: Huh? randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1292 Views
fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1352 Views
Re: Code_Man65 - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 1209 Views
No, this is before. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1290 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1269 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 1162 Views
Simple answer to settle it: Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 1205 Views
So Talaan is God? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1363 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1271 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1239 Views
So? Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1225 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 1231 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1273 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 1174 Views
You do know that this was AFTER Lanfear had picked up the bracelet angreal, right? Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:49:47 PM 1291 Views
It was before... both of them start using an angreal after this. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:02 PM 1175 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 1252 Views
Lanfear can do it alone Sidious - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 1225 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 1170 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 1242 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 1235 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 1248 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 1163 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 2145 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1331 Views
BUT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1221 Views
Then by your own definition you do not have to be significantly stronger to shield someone darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 11:28:44 PM 1202 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 1169 Views
No. There's a difference. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1355 Views
Oh come on... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1351 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 1160 Views
But that isn't true... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 1189 Views
Let me spell it out for you... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 1226 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 1229 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1376 Views
??? darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1380 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 1212 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1334 Views
Exactly! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1346 Views
Touchy point, heh? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1261 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1335 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1271 Views
If you wish... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 1044 Views
Re: If you wish... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 1042 Views
Whyever not? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 1139 Views
Re: Whyever not? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 1024 Views
Even in that situation fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1313 Views
Re: Even in that situation Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1294 Views
Okay... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1232 Views
Re: Okay... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 1198 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 680 Views
What? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 1164 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 580 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 1088 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1256 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 1201 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1246 Views
Hehehe! Classic. Maybe his hands were full of her...err..Globes of Fire... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:47:35 PM 1164 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1277 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 1067 Views
It's like women's tennis. Put the best up against a middling men's tennis player and they lose. *NM* Tom - 16/06/2010 12:18:06 AM 514 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... Underwood - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 1134 Views
+1 Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 1215 Views
darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1444 Views
Re: Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 1081 Views
indeed you have darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1315 Views
Bad analogy... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 1121 Views
Uh... Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 1146 Views
I disagree. LordPerrin - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1316 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him Logain - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1279 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. LordPerrin - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1354 Views
go back a few posts... Kieran - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 1188 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 1209 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 1116 Views
Agreed darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 1010 Views
I don't think there's any theme Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1365 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 1202 Views
They have a separate trinity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 1205 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength Logain - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 1193 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 1197 Views
No, that's not right either. Lews Therin Telamon - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1242 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1326 Views
Another related quote Skeeve the Great - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 1158 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1249 Views
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