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Bah! fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM
Let me get something straight. If Lanfear was incapable of shielding Rand at the time, he would have had no need to cut her weaves. Just like he didn't have to cut Verin and Alanna's shield, or how Graendal didn't have to cut Verin's shield at the Cleansing.

That kind of strength advantage is simply not available to Rand against Lanfear.

Now, at this time, he was as strong as Rahvin, who is as strong as Sammael, who is nearly as strong as LTT. There isn't any huge strength deficit from LTT that would magically make Rand be able to defeat Lanfear's shield in the future.
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No three women could block him from the Source... Logain - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2052 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1131 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him Sidious - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1203 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1272 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... Logain - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1239 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. Shannow - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1213 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1152 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1252 Views
Re: Huh? randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1081 Views
fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1160 Views
Re: Code_Man65 - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 988 Views
No, this is before. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1057 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1064 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 935 Views
Simple answer to settle it: Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 948 Views
So Talaan is God? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1121 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1057 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1040 Views
So? Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1031 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 997 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1083 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 925 Views
You do know that this was AFTER Lanfear had picked up the bracelet angreal, right? Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:49:47 PM 1040 Views
It was before... both of them start using an angreal after this. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:02 PM 958 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 995 Views
Lanfear can do it alone Sidious - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 1008 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 964 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 1002 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 1021 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 1004 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 942 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 1928 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1114 Views
BUT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1032 Views
Then by your own definition you do not have to be significantly stronger to shield someone darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 11:28:44 PM 991 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 959 Views
No. There's a difference. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1140 Views
Oh come on... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1157 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 938 Views
But that isn't true... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 988 Views
Let me spell it out for you... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 988 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 975 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1129 Views
??? darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1135 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 992 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1110 Views
Exactly! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1125 Views
Touchy point, heh? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1060 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1053 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1084 Views
If you wish... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 835 Views
Re: If you wish... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 855 Views
Whyever not? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 927 Views
Re: Whyever not? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 809 Views
Even in that situation fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1098 Views
Re: Even in that situation Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1087 Views
Okay... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1029 Views
Re: Okay... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 1000 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 580 Views
What? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 945 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 489 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 872 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1046 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 1003 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1058 Views
Hehehe! Classic. Maybe his hands were full of her...err..Globes of Fire... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:47:35 PM 947 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1079 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 813 Views
It's like women's tennis. Put the best up against a middling men's tennis player and they lose. *NM* Tom - 16/06/2010 12:18:06 AM 415 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... Underwood - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 923 Views
+1 Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 1004 Views
darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1199 Views
Re: Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 861 Views
indeed you have darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1113 Views
Bad analogy... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 906 Views
Uh... Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 945 Views
I disagree. LordPerrin - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1085 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him Logain - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1062 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. LordPerrin - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1149 Views
go back a few posts... Kieran - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 994 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 989 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 920 Views
Agreed darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 819 Views
I don't think there's any theme Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1125 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 987 Views
They have a separate trinity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 1003 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength Logain - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 976 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 991 Views
No, that's not right either. Lews Therin Telamon - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1030 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1125 Views
Another related quote Skeeve the Great - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 974 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1026 Views
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