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So Talaan is God? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM

Nynaeve says that you cannot shield someone if they are already holding the source unless you are much stronger than they are. And Nynaeve is talking about shielding someone of the same sex.

Yet, she shields Moggy, and Talaan shields her, and in both cases, the people involved had the same strength.

RJ says it is much harder to shield someone of the opposite sex. So clearly your strength advantage will have to be even greater.

So, in effect, you're saying none of he Female Forsaken can shield the males if they hold the source? That is total BS, and disproved by the fact that Lanfear was actually able to cut Rand's hold on the source.
Is Lanfear even 1% stronger than Lews Therin?

She is likely his match.
The answer to that is obviously no. Therefore it goes without saying that it is impossible for Lanfear to shield Lews Therin at his full strength and full knowledge level.

Yet, she made multiple efforts in the AoL to capture him alive and well? 8}
There can be no doubt about that.

Well, there's the fact that she succeeded, so no, you're not right.
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No three women could block him from the Source... Logain - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2337 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1396 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him Sidious - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1491 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1546 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... Logain - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1590 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. Shannow - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1481 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1457 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1510 Views
Re: Huh? randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1350 Views
fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1418 Views
Re: Code_Man65 - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 1254 Views
No, this is before. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1339 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1324 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 1203 Views
Simple answer to settle it: Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 1254 Views
So Talaan is God? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1411 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1313 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1307 Views
So? Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1286 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 1285 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1330 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 1220 Views
You do know that this was AFTER Lanfear had picked up the bracelet angreal, right? Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:49:47 PM 1332 Views
It was before... both of them start using an angreal after this. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:02 PM 1221 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 1291 Views
Lanfear can do it alone Sidious - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 1264 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 1222 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 1289 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 1286 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 1298 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 1208 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 2199 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1384 Views
BUT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1262 Views
Then by your own definition you do not have to be significantly stronger to shield someone darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 11:28:44 PM 1258 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 1216 Views
No. There's a difference. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1405 Views
Oh come on... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1425 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 1219 Views
But that isn't true... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 1234 Views
Let me spell it out for you... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 1270 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 1273 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1437 Views
??? darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1428 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 1259 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1383 Views
Exactly! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1392 Views
Touchy point, heh? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1311 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1374 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1321 Views
If you wish... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 1091 Views
Re: If you wish... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 1089 Views
Whyever not? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 1189 Views
Re: Whyever not? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 1071 Views
Even in that situation fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1352 Views
Re: Even in that situation Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1335 Views
Okay... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1275 Views
Re: Okay... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 1237 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 709 Views
What? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 1226 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 609 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 1126 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1306 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 1251 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1291 Views
Hehehe! Classic. Maybe his hands were full of her...err..Globes of Fire... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:47:35 PM 1223 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1326 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 1117 Views
It's like women's tennis. Put the best up against a middling men's tennis player and they lose. *NM* Tom - 16/06/2010 12:18:06 AM 558 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... Underwood - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 1201 Views
+1 Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 1286 Views
darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1487 Views
Re: Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 1127 Views
indeed you have darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1362 Views
Bad analogy... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 1167 Views
Uh... Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 1198 Views
I disagree. LordPerrin - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1378 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him Logain - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1351 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. LordPerrin - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1407 Views
go back a few posts... Kieran - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 1232 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 1248 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 1167 Views
Agreed darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 1052 Views
I don't think there's any theme Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1427 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 1246 Views
They have a separate trinity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 1286 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength Logain - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 1242 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 1241 Views
No, that's not right either. Lews Therin Telamon - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1287 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1378 Views
Another related quote Skeeve the Great - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 1204 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1295 Views
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