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Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM
Let me get something straight. If Lanfear was incapable of shielding Rand at the time, he would have had no need to cut her weaves. Just like he didn't have to cut Verin and Alanna's shield, or how Graendal didn't have to cut Verin's shield at the Cleansing.

That kind of strength advantage is simply not available to Rand against Lanfear.

Now, at this time, he was as strong as Rahvin, who is as strong as Sammael, who is nearly as strong as LTT. There isn't any huge strength deficit from LTT that would magically make Rand be able to defeat Lanfear's shield in the future.


Rand's lack of knowledge of how to counter saidar was his major deficiency here.

But the fact remains, to shield someone already holding the Source is almost impossible unless you are significantly stronger than they are, or FAR more skilled than they are.

Is Lanfear Much stronger or much more skilled than Lews Therin? NO. Therefore, she cannot shield him at his full potential and skill level.
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No three women could block him from the Source... Logain - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2192 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1270 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him Sidious - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1339 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1407 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... Logain - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1425 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. Shannow - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1329 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1276 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1381 Views
Re: Huh? randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1206 Views
fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1270 Views
Re: Code_Man65 - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 1104 Views
No, this is before. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1187 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1188 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 1065 Views
Simple answer to settle it: Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 1104 Views
So Talaan is God? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1272 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1179 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1156 Views
So? Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1154 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 1144 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1195 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 1078 Views
You do know that this was AFTER Lanfear had picked up the bracelet angreal, right? Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:49:47 PM 1192 Views
It was before... both of them start using an angreal after this. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:02 PM 1095 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 1153 Views
Lanfear can do it alone Sidious - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 1136 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 1088 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 1139 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 1140 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 1140 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 1073 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 2042 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1236 Views
BUT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1141 Views
Then by your own definition you do not have to be significantly stronger to shield someone darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 11:28:44 PM 1114 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 1086 Views
No. There's a difference. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1277 Views
Oh come on... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1264 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 1074 Views
But that isn't true... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 1094 Views
Let me spell it out for you... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 1134 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 1135 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1271 Views
??? darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1285 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 1117 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1246 Views
Exactly! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1250 Views
Touchy point, heh? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1185 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1240 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1186 Views
If you wish... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 952 Views
Re: If you wish... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 969 Views
Whyever not? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 1043 Views
Re: Whyever not? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 932 Views
Even in that situation fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1220 Views
Re: Even in that situation Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1206 Views
Okay... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1147 Views
Re: Okay... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 1123 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 640 Views
What? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 1081 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 547 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 995 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1169 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 1124 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1172 Views
Hehehe! Classic. Maybe his hands were full of her...err..Globes of Fire... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:47:35 PM 1079 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1192 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 977 Views
It's like women's tennis. Put the best up against a middling men's tennis player and they lose. *NM* Tom - 16/06/2010 12:18:06 AM 475 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... Underwood - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 1057 Views
+1 Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 1123 Views
darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1362 Views
Re: Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 989 Views
indeed you have darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1225 Views
Bad analogy... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 1030 Views
Uh... Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 1065 Views
I disagree. LordPerrin - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1217 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him Logain - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1184 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. LordPerrin - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1266 Views
go back a few posts... Kieran - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 1103 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 1119 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 1021 Views
Agreed darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 920 Views
I don't think there's any theme Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1247 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 1114 Views
They have a separate trinity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 1120 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength Logain - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 1092 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 1106 Views
No, that's not right either. Lews Therin Telamon - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1154 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1240 Views
Another related quote Skeeve the Great - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 1081 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1150 Views
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