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But that isn't true... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM

Yes, because he did not know how to resist them. If you don't resist, then of course she can cut your connection. Just holding onto the Source means you leave yourself defenseless.

That isn't true at all. Verin and co. threw a shield at Graendal. Graendal did nothing, yet the shield bounced off. Verin and Alanna threw a shield at Rand in LoC. He did nothing, and the shield bounced off.

Of course six Aes Sedai can hold him. But it takes a LOT more to cut you off if you are already holding the Source. Come on, that's One Power 101. Even you know that.

Yes, but who said the six sisters against the False Dragons were trying to shield him? It was a battle, by all accounts, and not a shielding match.

Again, to shield someone who is already holding the Source, you must be MUCH stronger than they are. Something like 50% stronger, if the books are any indication. Was Rand sure that he is 50% stronger than 7 Aes Sedai, whose individual strengths he doesn't know, and who might or might not have angreal with them?

Was Talaan even .1% stronger than Nynaeve?

How was he to know.

Because he has an idea of how strong AS are from seeing how strong the strongest among them is?
If one of them was Moghedien, she would be dangerous enough. Maybe not to shield him, but very dangerous to confront.

She would be able to shield him. Unless he cut her shield.
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No three women could block him from the Source... Logain - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2073 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1150 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him Sidious - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1220 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1288 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... Logain - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1263 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. Shannow - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1230 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1171 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1270 Views
Re: Huh? randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1101 Views
fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1180 Views
Re: Code_Man65 - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 1005 Views
No, this is before. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1076 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1082 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 948 Views
Simple answer to settle it: Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 966 Views
So Talaan is God? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1155 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1077 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1059 Views
So? Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1052 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 1021 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1098 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 946 Views
You do know that this was AFTER Lanfear had picked up the bracelet angreal, right? Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:49:47 PM 1057 Views
It was before... both of them start using an angreal after this. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:02 PM 980 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 1015 Views
Lanfear can do it alone Sidious - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 1025 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 982 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 1025 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 1040 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 1018 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 962 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 1948 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1132 Views
BUT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1050 Views
Then by your own definition you do not have to be significantly stronger to shield someone darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 11:28:44 PM 1013 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 973 Views
No. There's a difference. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1160 Views
Oh come on... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1177 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 956 Views
But that isn't true... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 1007 Views
Let me spell it out for you... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 1006 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 991 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1144 Views
??? darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1156 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 1009 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1130 Views
Exactly! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1144 Views
Touchy point, heh? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1080 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1103 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1102 Views
If you wish... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 856 Views
Re: If you wish... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 874 Views
Whyever not? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 947 Views
Re: Whyever not? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 828 Views
Even in that situation fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1121 Views
Re: Even in that situation Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1108 Views
Okay... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1047 Views
Re: Okay... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 1017 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 588 Views
What? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 963 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 497 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 891 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1064 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 1024 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1075 Views
Hehehe! Classic. Maybe his hands were full of her...err..Globes of Fire... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:47:35 PM 965 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1099 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 852 Views
It's like women's tennis. Put the best up against a middling men's tennis player and they lose. *NM* Tom - 16/06/2010 12:18:06 AM 422 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... Underwood - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 943 Views
+1 Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 1027 Views
darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1227 Views
Re: Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 881 Views
indeed you have darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1128 Views
Bad analogy... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 927 Views
Uh... Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 966 Views
I disagree. LordPerrin - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1107 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him Logain - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1081 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. LordPerrin - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1171 Views
go back a few posts... Kieran - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 1011 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 1007 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 938 Views
Agreed darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 837 Views
I don't think there's any theme Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1146 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 1007 Views
They have a separate trinity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 1019 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength Logain - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 997 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 1007 Views
No, that's not right either. Lews Therin Telamon - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1048 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1142 Views
Another related quote Skeeve the Great - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 989 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1043 Views
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