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Sorry for the mixup... BUT... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM

Thanks for the quote.

Only I don't understand your math here. Now you saying "2 x Semirhage", but before it was "3 x Semirhage". So which one?

I meant 2x. I firmly believe that two Semirhage's will hand Rand his ass, and even one will, with her strength and skill, give him a tough time.

Another point. Saying "I maybe in trouble" is not equal "No three women could block him from the Source ". It just not the same. When he says "I maybe in trouble" he easily could've meant that he would need to break sweat and stand up from the chair to handle them. Or he could've meant he need to do actual fighting before he could handle all three. Or he could've meant he is going to fight very hard for his life before he could handle them. But saying "block him from the Source" means only one thing - he's defeated. So no, I don't think you can compare those two quotes. The only definitive quote is "No three women could block him from the Source unless they were as strong as Semirhage or Mesaana". "Maybe in trouble" just don't cut it.

The problem with this is that in this case, the Female Forsaken would have been smothered within the first year of the war. Instead, of the top six Foresaken, three are women.

Rand's quote about 3 Semirhage's is to be taken in the context of the situation. He has not been shielded by 13 women (which he doesn't know at this point). Hence, he is not even able to flex the shield. He calls it a hard wall. He is totally helpless against it. To achieve this kind of effect with just three women, all of them would have to be as strong as Smeirhage.

But even Semirhage alone, and definitely Semrihage with an AS or two (or even Moggy with two AS) can shield him/finish him off in battle. Only, he will have some chance to fight back. Maybe the shield wouldn't be a brick wall.

Far from showing that Smeirhage is weak, the fact that it takes 13 Aes Sedai to do what three of her kind could shows that she is not only very strong, but also insanely skilled and precise in her weaving.
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No three women could block him from the Source... - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2256 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1324 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1408 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1470 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1504 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1398 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1346 Views
Huh? - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1439 Views
Re: Huh? - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1267 Views
- 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1334 Views
Re: - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 1178 Views
No, this is before. - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1258 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1247 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 1124 Views
Simple answer to settle it: - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 1183 Views
So Talaan is God? - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1335 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1243 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1214 Views
So? - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1205 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 1206 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1255 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 1148 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 1219 Views
Lanfear can do it alone - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 1199 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 1148 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 1211 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 1202 Views
Bah! - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 1219 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 1137 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 2124 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1301 Views
BUT... - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1196 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 1141 Views
No. There's a difference. - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1331 Views
Oh come on... - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1326 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 1128 Views
But that isn't true... - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 1165 Views
Let me spell it out for you... - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 1200 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 1204 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1348 Views
??? - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1350 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 1178 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1304 Views
Exactly! - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1316 Views
Touchy point, heh? - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1239 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1302 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1242 Views
If you wish... - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 1019 Views
Re: If you wish... - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 1018 Views
Whyever not? - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 1107 Views
Re: Whyever not? - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 996 Views
Even in that situation - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1281 Views
Re: Even in that situation - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1266 Views
Okay... - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1208 Views
Re: Okay... - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 1175 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 664 Views
What? - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 1137 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 569 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 1062 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1226 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 1175 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1226 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1253 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 1040 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 1108 Views
+1 - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 1183 Views
- 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1424 Views
Re: - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 1056 Views
indeed you have - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1281 Views
Bad analogy... - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 1091 Views
Uh... - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 1124 Views
I disagree. - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1287 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1250 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1329 Views
go back a few posts... - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 1161 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 1180 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 1084 Views
Agreed - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 982 Views
I don't think there's any theme - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1313 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 1170 Views
They have a separate trinity. - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 1181 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 1157 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 1168 Views
No, that's not right either. - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1212 Views
I disagree - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1298 Views
Another related quote - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 1131 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1223 Views

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