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Sorry for the mixup... BUT... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM

Thanks for the quote.

Only I don't understand your math here. Now you saying "2 x Semirhage", but before it was "3 x Semirhage". So which one?

I meant 2x. I firmly believe that two Semirhage's will hand Rand his ass, and even one will, with her strength and skill, give him a tough time.

Another point. Saying "I maybe in trouble" is not equal "No three women could block him from the Source ". It just not the same. When he says "I maybe in trouble" he easily could've meant that he would need to break sweat and stand up from the chair to handle them. Or he could've meant he need to do actual fighting before he could handle all three. Or he could've meant he is going to fight very hard for his life before he could handle them. But saying "block him from the Source" means only one thing - he's defeated. So no, I don't think you can compare those two quotes. The only definitive quote is "No three women could block him from the Source unless they were as strong as Semirhage or Mesaana". "Maybe in trouble" just don't cut it.

The problem with this is that in this case, the Female Forsaken would have been smothered within the first year of the war. Instead, of the top six Foresaken, three are women.

Rand's quote about 3 Semirhage's is to be taken in the context of the situation. He has not been shielded by 13 women (which he doesn't know at this point). Hence, he is not even able to flex the shield. He calls it a hard wall. He is totally helpless against it. To achieve this kind of effect with just three women, all of them would have to be as strong as Smeirhage.

But even Semirhage alone, and definitely Semrihage with an AS or two (or even Moggy with two AS) can shield him/finish him off in battle. Only, he will have some chance to fight back. Maybe the shield wouldn't be a brick wall.

Far from showing that Smeirhage is weak, the fact that it takes 13 Aes Sedai to do what three of her kind could shows that she is not only very strong, but also insanely skilled and precise in her weaving.
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No three women could block him from the Source... - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2192 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1270 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1338 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1407 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1424 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1329 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1276 Views
Huh? - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1381 Views
Re: Huh? - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1206 Views
- 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1268 Views
Re: - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 1103 Views
No, this is before. - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1185 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1188 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 1065 Views
Simple answer to settle it: - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 1104 Views
So Talaan is God? - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1272 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1179 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1156 Views
So? - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1154 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 1144 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1195 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 1076 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 1151 Views
Lanfear can do it alone - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 1136 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 1088 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 1139 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 1139 Views
Bah! - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 1139 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 1072 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 2040 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1235 Views
BUT... - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1141 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 1084 Views
No. There's a difference. - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1276 Views
Oh come on... - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1264 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 1074 Views
But that isn't true... - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 1093 Views
Let me spell it out for you... - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 1134 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 1134 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1271 Views
??? - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1285 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 1115 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1245 Views
Exactly! - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1250 Views
Touchy point, heh? - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1183 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1239 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1185 Views
If you wish... - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 952 Views
Re: If you wish... - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 969 Views
Whyever not? - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 1043 Views
Re: Whyever not? - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 932 Views
Even in that situation - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1219 Views
Re: Even in that situation - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1206 Views
Okay... - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1147 Views
Re: Okay... - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 1121 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 640 Views
What? - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 1081 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 547 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 995 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1169 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 1124 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1172 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1192 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 977 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 1057 Views
+1 - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 1122 Views
- 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1362 Views
Re: - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 988 Views
indeed you have - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1225 Views
Bad analogy... - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 1030 Views
Uh... - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 1065 Views
I disagree. - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1217 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1184 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1265 Views
go back a few posts... - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 1103 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 1119 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 1021 Views
Agreed - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 918 Views
I don't think there's any theme - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1246 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 1114 Views
They have a separate trinity. - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 1120 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 1092 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 1105 Views
No, that's not right either. - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1153 Views
I disagree - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1239 Views
Another related quote - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 1081 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1150 Views

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