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No she didn't what? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 16/06/2010 04:46:05 PM

Silviana made them both go and shield her all night.

Yes... when did I say anything different? Silviana did make them both go, but Katerine felt both were not required, that Barasine alone was enough. Sid said that was because of the Forkroot, but the Forkroot would wear off by the morning. It was already wearing off.

Since Katerine seems to think Barasine is enough, and Silviana only puts two women in for the job because she thinks Egwene is tricky, its clear the Reds think Egwene can be held by one of them.

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Katerine and Barasine were startled to say the least at hearing Elaida’s plans for Egwene, and not best pleased to learn that they would be watching her and shielding her while she slept, although Silviana told them she would arrange for other sisters to come after an hour or two.

“Why both of us?” Katerine wanted to know, which earned her a wry glance from Barasine. If only one were sent, it surely would not be Katerine, who stood higher.

“Firstly, because I said so.” Silviana waited until the other two Reds nodded in acceptance. They did so with obvious reluctance, but not enough to make her wait long. She had not put on her shawl to come into the hallway, and in some odd fashion, she seemed the one out of place.

“And secondly, because this child is tricky, I think. I want her watched carefully awake or asleep. Which of you has her ring?”

Katerine and Barasine go on to Egwene's room with her and stay the night.

Or are replaced by two more. I don't see why you're telling me all this. You're only reinforcing my point.

Even Leane has two guards at all times, even if only one is holding her shield.

Yes, but in this case both women are holding Egwene's shield.
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See the question again man! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:48:57 PM 1207 Views
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I need to re-evaluate nothing! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:46:20 PM 1232 Views
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Aviendha did in FoH... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:54:32 PM 1054 Views
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Your quotes are faulty Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:57:18 PM 1224 Views
In what sense though? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:59:00 PM 1241 Views
Forkroot Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:04:50 PM 1194 Views
Again... later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:05:39 PM 1045 Views
What do you mean? Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:07:24 PM 1208 Views
See below... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:11:24 PM 1091 Views
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I just did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:09 PM 1014 Views
Well then we disagree Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:18:10 PM 1204 Views
BUT WHAT ABOUT LATER IN THE NIGHT! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:20:21 PM 1039 Views
Ah, you mean later later ... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:29:59 PM 1136 Views
Forkroot wears off, you know? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:45:33 PM 1224 Views
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I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:17:10 PM 1196 Views
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RJ writes that Amys cannot hold Egwene. BS writes that Barasene can. Who are you gonna believe? Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:31:35 PM 1035 Views
It wasn't BS... both were RJ! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:41:54 PM 1148 Views
In that case, there is no problem... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:45:05 PM 1264 Views
But that isn't what the text says... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:57:42 PM 988 Views
How can Egwene be strong enough to overcome Katerine and Silviana together then? Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:07:36 PM 1277 Views
She also says Egwene is Aes Sedai in the same sentence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:25:16 PM 1260 Views
Yeah, both were RJ Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1106 Views
Yeah yeah... RJ lied, Maria lied. Only you make sense. I'm finished with this debate. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:59:06 PM 1191 Views
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Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:29:22 PM 1045 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:39:21 PM 1194 Views
Re: Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:43:41 PM 1059 Views
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I haven't refuted? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:53:17 PM 1243 Views
Here's what is clear: Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:02:41 PM 1098 Views
IMO it's easy to disprove Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:22:23 PM 1077 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:34 PM 1017 Views
At least we agree on one thing Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:29:14 PM 1112 Views
No... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:32:06 PM 1084 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:43:59 PM 1211 Views
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Re: fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:34:28 PM 1164 Views
Thought on this darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:09:29 PM 1041 Views
yet 4 women can still hold Rand in LoC ... he can't break the Shield until it's down to 3 darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 12:47:43 PM 927 Views
Have to agree with Sidious on this point darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 02:49:58 AM 1053 Views
That was kind of my point... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:19:23 PM 772 Views
of course Katerine would have complained darius_sedai - 12/06/2010 12:53:31 PM 1160 Views
The rate forkroot wears off? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:36:38 PM 1157 Views
You missed that she isn't being given Forkroot at night at all! fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:47:59 PM 1051 Views
Typos, screwed up what I meant Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/06/2010 02:31:50 AM 1055 Views
You are... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:32:47 AM 1280 Views
Maria's other answer adresses this... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:14:54 PM 957 Views
Then one Aes Sedai cannot shield her. But one did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:41 PM 1061 Views
You can be much weaker than someone, and hold them shielded, if they are already cut off... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:19:15 PM 1065 Views
But, if you are much stronger, you can break that shield... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:22:25 PM 1051 Views
Easy... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:24:59 PM 1021 Views
What has that got to do with it? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:32:56 PM 1203 Views
Amys is not LESS than half of Egwene's strength. You cannot hold someone if you are LESS than half.. Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:47:41 PM 1125 Views
Amys is as strong as Moiraine, at the most one level lower. Barasine is weaker than Katarine, who... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:00:26 PM 1239 Views
I can agree with that. Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:09:07 PM 1008 Views
How can you agree with it? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:13:55 PM 1210 Views
I'm thinking Berowin here... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:16:41 PM 1219 Views
Exactly. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:18:19 PM 1079 Views
... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:12:21 PM 1007 Views
Agreed, but... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:13:59 PM 1167 Views
Re: Agreed, but... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:16:30 PM 964 Views
Good point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:18:53 PM 1173 Views
Or, you know, you're wrong? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:55 PM 1053 Views
Re: Good point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:28:02 PM 1242 Views
We've had this discussion before darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:59:34 PM 1179 Views
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Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:41:59 PM 993 Views
Re: Uhhh? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:48:58 PM 979 Views
DUDE! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:58:59 PM 1006 Views
Re: DUDE! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:09:11 PM 973 Views
I explained... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:27:44 PM 997 Views
Re: I explained... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:45:58 PM 1159 Views
Rand seems to shield Egwene and Elayne TOGETHER, pretty easily... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:54:03 PM 1650 Views
That's fairly simple, actually... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:08:53 PM 1224 Views
Nope. Rand was also cut off from the Source when he broke a shield held by 3 Aes Sedai... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:18:41 PM 1204 Views
Because that channeler is much stronger? I'm not getting your confusion here. *NM* fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:27:31 PM 566 Views
Your Aes Sedai are close to the average woman in strength, right... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:42:01 PM 1290 Views
You are making a couple of mistakes darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:28:41 PM 1120 Views
You're missing an important point... fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:10:55 PM 1085 Views
Yes, what do you mean? You are actually proving our point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:10:50 PM 955 Views
No, here's the quote: I hate having to pull out my books with their yellowed pages... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:01:54 PM 1028 Views
Why would she need surprise against two? That was against five of them... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:04:57 PM 1043 Views
That makes no sense whatsoever... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:06:53 PM 1023 Views
Simply this... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:13:42 PM 1048 Views
Very poor evidence Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:11:26 PM 1174 Views
No it isn't... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:18:09 PM 1123 Views
Re: No it isn't... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:32:17 PM 1189 Views
no she said Egwene is stronger than Amys and Melaine combined darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 12:46:29 AM 1108 Views
The actual quote says Amys and Melaine combined... Shannow - 11/06/2010 12:25:07 PM 1148 Views
Here's the problem with that... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:42:41 PM 1014 Views
Linked circles are more effective than individual channelers... Shannow - 11/06/2010 01:57:43 PM 1124 Views
That much stronger? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:06:18 PM 1180 Views
On this we agree. darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:34:45 PM 988 Views
I think you are misreading her. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:47:06 PM 998 Views
Bingo *NM* Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:51:29 PM 665 Views
Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. *NM* Logain - 10/06/2010 09:23:36 PM 609 Views
Re: Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 10:11:23 PM 1208 Views
Yes. You can't extrapolate a generalized macro level scale to micro level individuals. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:16:24 AM 1065 Views
I don't agree Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:49:41 PM 1048 Views
BAH! Its infuriating how you have so many blinders... Eerily Aes Sedai of you. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:23 PM 1240 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:55:59 PM 971 Views
Because of the question to which she responded... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:57:55 PM 976 Views
Re: Because of the question to which she responded... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:06:16 PM 1135 Views
Without contradicting the latter... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:15:11 PM 1039 Views
Ah well Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:20:32 PM 1016 Views
Which is even more evidence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:23:28 PM 1130 Views
Dude Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:30:57 PM 1202 Views
It isn't omission fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 10:54:47 PM 1153 Views
omg not this again *NM* BlackAdder - 10/06/2010 07:52:26 PM 1136 Views
Great! Two of my OP strength ideas have been solidified! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:39:53 PM 1233 Views
Nope... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:46:31 PM 1105 Views
Who said Cadsuane was 50? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:51:14 PM 1134 Views
So how can Egwene be twice as strong as Moiraine, if Moiraine is at 55? Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:53:11 PM 998 Views
She cannot be because she isn't. Silviana can shield Egwene alone, for God's sake. So can Amys! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:56:26 PM 938 Views
Amys can't hold her properly Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:59:47 PM 971 Views
What about later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:02:16 PM 993 Views
No she didn't darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 03:02:21 PM 1111 Views
No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:46:05 PM 1163 Views
Re: No she didn't what? darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:16:16 AM 1003 Views
Re: No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 06:02:57 PM 1126 Views
you are arguing in a circle darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:31:19 PM 1478 Views
Why do you think it's a linear scale? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 05:25:56 AM 1099 Views
That's simple... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 1090 Views
Re: That's simple... Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:27:07 PM 1038 Views
Your concept is not mathematically right. So yeah, forget discussing it. fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:41:13 PM 1220 Views
Dang, Cyndane isn't using Cabriana's body. Gher - 10/06/2010 08:25:20 PM 1067 Views
But they didn't look alike anyway. *NM* Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:59:35 PM 660 Views
Eh, yeah. Gher - 12/06/2010 08:24:10 PM 1010 Views
The blue flash RAFO irritates me- I can't see how that will be relevant. The Min thing was new beetnemesis - 10/06/2010 08:50:52 PM 1165 Views
RJ already RAFOed the incident with Thom's knives/daggers before Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:57:52 PM 1251 Views
They RAFO way too much. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:56 AM 983 Views
It isn't, unless she's implying the Creator helped him out or some other such thing RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:56:49 AM 1002 Views
Just to make things clear on the strength thing... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:08:02 PM 1268 Views
It is possible Maria was answering the first question and ignoring the second... Logain - 10/06/2010 09:29:59 PM 1022 Views
That still proves my point... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:33:10 PM 1190 Views
Re: That still proves my point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:45:39 PM 1054 Views
Then why... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:00:00 PM 1143 Views
Re: Then why... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:07:56 PM 1028 Views
God, what stupidity! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:10:32 PM 995 Views
Re: God, what stupidity! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:16:38 PM 1100 Views
It doesn't have to be 1-100. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:32:17 PM 1040 Views
Re: It doesn't have to be 1-100. Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:41:02 PM 1335 Views
That's a mathematical impossibility... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:26:23 PM 1182 Views
Just popping in. I think you're arguing over non-existent delineations. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:44:40 AM 1116 Views
You're pretty much agreeing with me, you know? fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:32:44 PM 1092 Views
Yes. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/06/2010 10:31:00 PM 1184 Views
Re: Just to make things clear on the strength thing... Bored - 14/06/2010 11:21:31 PM 1381 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:48:43 PM 971 Views
Also interesting... Etzel - 10/06/2010 09:38:27 PM 1130 Views
I'm even more confused (parallel worlds and the Pattern) entyti - 10/06/2010 09:48:17 PM 1117 Views
Nah,... DomA - 11/06/2010 11:38:20 AM 1080 Views
Fascinating! entyti - 13/06/2010 02:30:42 AM 1196 Views
You know, these things always end up pissing me off. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:05 AM 1083 Views
I think she's saving that info for her WoT Encyclopedia. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:54:38 AM 1153 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. TaskmasterJack - 11/06/2010 03:22:53 AM 1185 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. DomA - 11/06/2010 12:29:37 PM 1161 Views
I agree Etzel - 11/06/2010 01:14:36 PM 1247 Views
Re: I agree TaskmasterJack - 12/06/2010 03:02:32 PM 1021 Views
BS didn't answer with "Read and find out" Etzel - 12/06/2010 03:28:05 PM 1075 Views
We were speaking about Maria giving a RAFO on the topic, not Sanderson. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 12:05:17 AM 586 Views
Actually she said "No"... *NM* Etzel - 13/06/2010 01:06:18 AM 687 Views
I'll rephrase then. It was about Maria saying that she considered giving a RAFO on the question. TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 01:44:19 AM 1057 Views
Yeah, sorry for the rolly-eyed smiley! Was a bit mean... Etzel - 13/06/2010 09:19:13 AM 1077 Views
I agree with Jack and Sidious and not with you. Tom - 11/06/2010 03:20:30 PM 1166 Views
Well, on the Thom question... Etzel - 11/06/2010 08:25:09 AM 1034 Views
Yeah Sidious - 11/06/2010 08:26:33 AM 1136 Views
Re: Yeah darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 12:25:21 AM 998 Views
Eh, practically useless. callandor1000 - 14/06/2010 11:50:06 PM 1007 Views
I agree. I think she is saving the good stuff for the encyclopedia. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/06/2010 04:17:07 PM 553 Views
Yeah. I do think she's taking advantage of these poor saps, though. callandor1000 - 17/06/2010 03:52:33 PM 1589 Views
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