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I disagree darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM
Those 3 are all above (far above) an average Aes Sedai in strength. It's hard to know the outcome.


Since each is about 2x a strong AS those 3 logically would be more like 8 or 9 Average AS (say Verin level). So yeah it seems more than likely they could smother Rand combined.


They couldn't smother Rand. That implies that no matter what he did Rand would lose. It is more proper to say that those three could at least beat Rand.

Only 3 women of Semirhage's strength could "smother" Rand. Elayne/Aviendha/Egwene are not equal to 3 Semirhage, but they are strong enough combined to beat him some of the time. The three wonder girls against Rand would be something like the Nynaeve vs. Talaan duels. Sometimes Rand would win sometimes the three girls.



But it's all in the interpretation... I don't think Rand would have a chance against 2 Semirhages (or Granedals or Lanfears), or 3 Elaynes.
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No three women could block him from the Source... Logain - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2232 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1302 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him Sidious - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1381 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1443 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... Logain - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1471 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. Shannow - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1365 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1314 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1413 Views
Re: Huh? randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1242 Views
fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1306 Views
Re: Code_Man65 - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 1148 Views
No, this is before. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1231 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1222 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 1098 Views
Simple answer to settle it: Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 1151 Views
So Talaan is God? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1308 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1219 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1188 Views
So? Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1179 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 1180 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1229 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 1115 Views
You do know that this was AFTER Lanfear had picked up the bracelet angreal, right? Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:49:47 PM 1230 Views
It was before... both of them start using an angreal after this. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:02 PM 1128 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 1190 Views
Lanfear can do it alone Sidious - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 1172 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 1123 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 1184 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 1175 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 1184 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 1107 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 2093 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1269 Views
BUT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1169 Views
Then by your own definition you do not have to be significantly stronger to shield someone darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 11:28:44 PM 1157 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 1113 Views
No. There's a difference. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1302 Views
Oh come on... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1303 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 1104 Views
But that isn't true... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 1137 Views
Let me spell it out for you... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 1171 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 1178 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1312 Views
??? darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1320 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 1152 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1282 Views
Exactly! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1291 Views
Touchy point, heh? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1214 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1274 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1218 Views
If you wish... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 987 Views
Re: If you wish... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 997 Views
Whyever not? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 1084 Views
Re: Whyever not? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 963 Views
Even in that situation fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1256 Views
Re: Even in that situation Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1240 Views
Okay... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1179 Views
Re: Okay... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 1149 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 654 Views
What? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 1111 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 562 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 1037 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1205 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 1152 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1204 Views
Hehehe! Classic. Maybe his hands were full of her...err..Globes of Fire... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:47:35 PM 1113 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1225 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 1009 Views
It's like women's tennis. Put the best up against a middling men's tennis player and they lose. *NM* Tom - 16/06/2010 12:18:06 AM 490 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... Underwood - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 1085 Views
+1 Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 1156 Views
darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1395 Views
Re: Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 1022 Views
indeed you have darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1255 Views
Bad analogy... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 1061 Views
Uh... Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 1095 Views
I disagree. LordPerrin - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1256 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him Logain - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1224 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. LordPerrin - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1298 Views
go back a few posts... Kieran - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 1129 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 1148 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 1051 Views
Agreed darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 955 Views
I don't think there's any theme Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1281 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 1146 Views
They have a separate trinity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 1155 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength Logain - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 1130 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 1142 Views
No, that's not right either. Lews Therin Telamon - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1188 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1271 Views
Another related quote Skeeve the Great - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 1107 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1189 Views
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