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Too convulted...... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 14/07/2010 07:26:26 PM
From a literal standpoint it only makes sense that Graendal was killed by Rand. The "Graendal somehow survived"-theories (which remind of the ideas that Sammael or Osan'gar survived somehow) would be an unnecessary twist such late in the story. Considering that RJ wanted to wrap up things, it's clear that Graendal was balefired in a powerful scene, because she wasn't needed anymore and to emphasise Rand's hardness. As it is made clear in the book, Graendal simply couldn't predict that Rand would "punch her in the face" in such a way.

Besides that, Graendal tells in TGS, prologue, that Aran'gar doesn't know where her lair is. Thus nothing suggests that Aran'gar would go to Graendal (Aran'gar can certainly find other, more neutral refugees).


As in Slayer, a character who we knew nothing about in regards to his powers....was hanging out in a place which he hasn't been to for decades....was watching a man who he knew could channel and kill him...but was watching a man who's location was unknown to him prior to this...who happened to stumble upon him...who he killed and took the body, harp, and removed all evidence (blood, disrupted environment, etc).

And *this* is too confulted? ;)

I'm just saying.

As for a huge twist like this at the end of the series...unlikely, but possible. As for Graendal not being able to recognize that Rand would "punch her in the face"....who said she had too. 1) There was more than enough time for a regular exit...let alone a dramatic, jump-through-the-gateway type of exit. 2) Do you honestly think that Rand could out think Graendal? How many mid-20 year olds can out think a trained, experienced professional?

~Jeordam
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What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? Sidious - 13/07/2010 09:00:05 AM 1745 Views
Too convulted to make any sense... Etzel - 13/07/2010 09:22:26 AM 696 Views
Too convulted...... Jeordam - 14/07/2010 07:26:26 PM 727 Views
The logic is rather... Etzel - 15/07/2010 05:09:30 PM 589 Views
What is the reason Delana is with Graendal? Artsapat - 13/07/2010 09:31:36 AM 776 Views
Indeed... Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:06:32 AM 688 Views
Re: Indeed... Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:10:43 AM 724 Views
That is wrong Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:19:32 AM 508 Views
Re: That is wrong Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:29:16 AM 641 Views
It's not at all... Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:35:49 AM 545 Views
Plus... Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:18:12 PM 493 Views
I agree with part and disagree with part. Logain - 14/07/2010 06:39:36 PM 544 Views
exactly darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 06:43:14 PM 571 Views
Does the Compulsion fit Graendal? Lohikaarme - 13/07/2010 03:40:36 PM 620 Views
sorry but no dacole - 13/07/2010 09:49:13 AM 691 Views
Exactly Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:14:06 AM 575 Views
Yeah dacole provided powerful evidence *NM* Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:25:13 AM 338 Views
Actually... Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:30:24 AM 600 Views
Or, as with Moghedien. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/07/2010 02:35:44 PM 733 Views
It makes perfect sense. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/07/2010 02:33:09 PM 610 Views
I won't be 100% sure she's dead until we get a solid "she's toast" from either the text darius_sedai - 13/07/2010 04:21:18 PM 610 Views
This is actually the first thing that I thought of in that scene *NM* darius_sedai - 13/07/2010 04:08:48 PM 461 Views
Until I have absolute proof to the contrary.(Confirmation by Harriot or BS) krassos - 13/07/2010 04:20:49 PM 527 Views
If Graendal didn't know Rand would use balefire, why would she have Delana do the Compulsion? beetnemesis - 13/07/2010 04:57:10 PM 754 Views
Yes, Graendal completely outsmarted Rand. Fanatic-Templar - 13/07/2010 05:56:30 PM 649 Views
I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/07/2010 06:33:44 PM 673 Views
Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them Sidious - 13/07/2010 08:41:54 PM 589 Views
Re: Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them Underwood - 13/07/2010 09:09:09 PM 637 Views
You draw too much attention to yourself, Mr Underwood *NM* Sidious - 14/07/2010 05:13:42 AM 428 Views
Ha, nice! *NM* Underwood - 14/07/2010 04:05:00 PM 326 Views
What are you talking about? I was agreeing with you, it's absurdly simple. Fanatic-Templar - 13/07/2010 09:27:22 PM 647 Views
Huh Sidious - 14/07/2010 05:22:51 AM 620 Views
Why did the lair explode? Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 06:17:32 AM 560 Views
*NM* Skeeve the Great - 14/07/2010 01:58:17 PM 476 Views
While I generally agree with you...you missed an important detail. Mik - 14/07/2010 02:06:31 PM 757 Views
What did Rand tell Ramshalan... Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 04:29:04 PM 478 Views
Re: What did Rand tell Ramshalan... darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:52:11 PM 561 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 09:22:21 PM 765 Views
he doesn't have to read Rands mind darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:41:59 PM 532 Views
Provide a quote. Fanatic-Templar - 15/07/2010 04:10:06 AM 662 Views
read the chapter darius_sedai - 10/08/2010 09:22:02 PM 497 Views
Right, that's why I asked. Because I know you can't. Fanatic-Templar - 10/08/2010 10:00:14 PM 608 Views
sigh ... always so aggressive ... why you gotta hate darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 03:23:31 AM 667 Views
Was that what I asked for? Fanatic-Templar - 11/08/2010 04:05:41 AM 461 Views
sorry misunderstood what you were looking for darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 04:50:17 PM 449 Views
Oh if that's what you want darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 04:45:19 PM 641 Views
Yes, he pretty much says out loud that he can't just wipe out her fortress. Fanatic-Templar - 11/08/2010 06:57:39 PM 487 Views
Re: Yes, he pretty much says out loud that he can't just wipe out her fortress. darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 09:20:10 PM 540 Views
why does it have to be a well thought out plan? darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:14:17 PM 494 Views
She would have to teach her pawn Compulsion. Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 04:30:12 PM 473 Views
No she'd only have to show Delana a weave to duplicate darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:48:24 PM 587 Views
Nonsense. Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 09:30:01 PM 626 Views
yet Sorilea, can duplicate Cadsuane's weaves after one quick glance darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:52:01 PM 648 Views
Which ones? Fanatic-Templar - 15/07/2010 04:14:23 AM 535 Views
Re: Which ones? Sidious - 15/07/2010 05:25:28 AM 623 Views
Well. Fanatic-Templar - 15/07/2010 06:53:29 AM 490 Views
Actually I think it's one of those things that make AS so stupid darius_sedai - 10/08/2010 09:36:43 PM 604 Views
the Sorilea moment is when they first meet Semirhage darius_sedai - 10/08/2010 09:32:26 PM 668 Views
Thanks for the quote. Fanatic-Templar - 10/08/2010 10:02:36 PM 688 Views
Re: I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted. saidarisnowtainted - 14/07/2010 05:40:11 PM 496 Views
She's so smart, she knows Rand will bring along Nynaeve to check Delana's Compulsion BlackAdder - 13/07/2010 08:32:19 PM 544 Views
we've seen any number of times that a Channeler can make an exact copy of weaves darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:10:41 PM 659 Views
Ramshalan didn't know the plan as you claim Skeeve the Great - 14/07/2010 04:16:29 PM 465 Views
he knew enough to alert Graendal to the danger darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:50:26 PM 689 Views
No. Don't think so. Tom - 13/07/2010 08:35:34 PM 517 Views
I so desperately want you to be right. Seriana Sedai - 14/07/2010 06:30:16 AM 684 Views
Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2010 06:53:48 AM 602 Views
Re: Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 07:10:49 AM 665 Views
Re: Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 10:50:05 PM 568 Views
Yip Sidious - 14/07/2010 04:33:03 PM 582 Views
Lame. eucatastrophe - 14/07/2010 10:44:47 AM 528 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:15:38 PM 475 Views
she's dead, get over it *NM* Yunalesca - 14/07/2010 01:12:15 PM 399 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? saidarisnowtainted - 14/07/2010 05:44:38 PM 509 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/07/2010 07:21:29 PM 611 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? saidarisnowtainted - 10/08/2010 09:12:17 PM 644 Views
Sounds about right. Wonder if he intends to try and get Callandor? *NM* Lord Haart - 13/08/2010 07:41:47 AM 186 Views
*shrug* Seems a bit complex to me... Jeordam - 14/07/2010 07:17:49 PM 685 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? Underwood - 15/07/2010 04:38:09 PM 597 Views
Honestly, if she's still alive, how is she going to die? Gher - 16/07/2010 05:49:06 AM 454 Views
Ahh, just remembered that some people think some Forsaken will survive Tarmon Gai'don. Still... *NM* Gher - 16/07/2010 05:51:41 AM 289 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? scooter - 10/11/2010 04:09:41 AM 478 Views
Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers* Fanatic-Templar - 10/11/2010 04:41:11 AM 508 Views
Because he was right, that's why. Terez - 11/11/2010 03:39:39 AM 516 Views
Not by my reckoning. *Still contains ToM spoilers* Fanatic-Templar - 11/11/2010 04:22:59 AM 458 Views
No one ever gets every detail right - it's impossible Terez - 11/11/2010 06:06:26 AM 470 Views
Yes, but I don't think this was a detail. *Still ToM spoilers.* Fanatic-Templar - 11/11/2010 06:31:40 AM 613 Views
Re: Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers* scooter - 11/11/2010 04:12:38 AM 607 Views
Please try to maintain some decorum. *Also ToM spoilers* Fanatic-Templar - 11/11/2010 04:45:08 AM 565 Views
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