From a literal standpoint it only makes sense that Graendal was killed by Rand. The "Graendal somehow survived"-theories (which remind of the ideas that Sammael or Osan'gar survived somehow) would be an unnecessary twist such late in the story. Considering that RJ wanted to wrap up things, it's clear that Graendal was balefired in a powerful scene, because she wasn't needed anymore and to emphasise Rand's hardness. As it is made clear in the book, Graendal simply couldn't predict that Rand would "punch her in the face" in such a way.
Besides that, Graendal tells in TGS, prologue, that Aran'gar doesn't know where her lair is. Thus nothing suggests that Aran'gar would go to Graendal (Aran'gar can certainly find other, more neutral refugees).
Besides that, Graendal tells in TGS, prologue, that Aran'gar doesn't know where her lair is. Thus nothing suggests that Aran'gar would go to Graendal (Aran'gar can certainly find other, more neutral refugees).
As in Slayer, a character who we knew nothing about in regards to his powers....was hanging out in a place which he hasn't been to for decades....was watching a man who he knew could channel and kill him...but was watching a man who's location was unknown to him prior to this...who happened to stumble upon him...who he killed and took the body, harp, and removed all evidence (blood, disrupted environment, etc).
And *this* is too confulted?

I'm just saying.
As for a huge twist like this at the end of the series...unlikely, but possible. As for Graendal not being able to recognize that Rand would "punch her in the face"....who said she had too. 1) There was more than enough time for a regular exit...let alone a dramatic, jump-through-the-gateway type of exit. 2) Do you honestly think that Rand could out think Graendal? How many mid-20 year olds can out think a trained, experienced professional?
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What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory?
13/07/2010 09:00:05 AM
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Too convulted to make any sense...
13/07/2010 09:22:26 AM
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Too convulted......
14/07/2010 07:26:26 PM
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What is the reason Delana is with Graendal?
13/07/2010 09:31:36 AM
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Indeed...
13/07/2010 10:06:32 AM
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Re: Indeed...
13/07/2010 10:10:43 AM
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That is wrong
13/07/2010 10:19:32 AM
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Re: That is wrong
13/07/2010 10:29:16 AM
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Plus...
13/07/2010 12:18:12 PM
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sorry but no
13/07/2010 09:49:13 AM
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Exactly
13/07/2010 10:14:06 AM
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It makes perfect sense.
13/07/2010 02:33:09 PM
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I won't be 100% sure she's dead until we get a solid "she's toast" from either the text
13/07/2010 04:21:18 PM
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This is actually the first thing that I thought of in that scene *NM*
13/07/2010 04:08:48 PM
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Until I have absolute proof to the contrary.(Confirmation by Harriot or BS)
13/07/2010 04:20:49 PM
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If Graendal didn't know Rand would use balefire, why would she have Delana do the Compulsion?
13/07/2010 04:57:10 PM
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Yes, Graendal completely outsmarted Rand.
13/07/2010 05:56:30 PM
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I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted.
13/07/2010 06:33:44 PM
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Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them
13/07/2010 08:41:54 PM
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Re: Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them
13/07/2010 09:09:09 PM
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What are you talking about? I was agreeing with you, it's absurdly simple.
13/07/2010 09:27:22 PM
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Huh
14/07/2010 05:22:51 AM
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Why did the lair explode?
14/07/2010 06:17:32 AM
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While I generally agree with you...you missed an important detail.
14/07/2010 02:06:31 PM
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What did Rand tell Ramshalan...
14/07/2010 04:29:04 PM
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Re: What did Rand tell Ramshalan...
14/07/2010 04:52:11 PM
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...
14/07/2010 09:22:21 PM
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he doesn't have to read Rands mind
14/07/2010 09:41:59 PM
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Provide a quote.
15/07/2010 04:10:06 AM
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read the chapter
10/08/2010 09:22:02 PM
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Right, that's why I asked. Because I know you can't.
10/08/2010 10:00:14 PM
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sigh ... always so aggressive ... why you gotta hate
11/08/2010 03:23:31 AM
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Oh if that's what you want
11/08/2010 04:45:19 PM
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Yes, he pretty much says out loud that he can't just wipe out her fortress.
11/08/2010 06:57:39 PM
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Re: Yes, he pretty much says out loud that he can't just wipe out her fortress.
11/08/2010 09:20:10 PM
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why does it have to be a well thought out plan?
14/07/2010 04:14:17 PM
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She would have to teach her pawn Compulsion.
14/07/2010 04:30:12 PM
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No she'd only have to show Delana a weave to duplicate
14/07/2010 04:48:24 PM
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Nonsense.
14/07/2010 09:30:01 PM
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yet Sorilea, can duplicate Cadsuane's weaves after one quick glance
14/07/2010 09:52:01 PM
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Which ones?
15/07/2010 04:14:23 AM
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Re: I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted.
14/07/2010 05:40:11 PM
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She's so smart, she knows Rand will bring along Nynaeve to check Delana's Compulsion
13/07/2010 08:32:19 PM
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we've seen any number of times that a Channeler can make an exact copy of weaves
14/07/2010 04:10:41 PM
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I so desperately want you to be right.
14/07/2010 06:30:16 AM
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Graendal being alive would make more of a statement...
14/07/2010 06:53:48 AM
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Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory?
14/07/2010 05:44:38 PM
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Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory?
14/07/2010 07:21:29 PM
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Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory?
10/08/2010 09:12:17 PM
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Sounds about right. Wonder if he intends to try and get Callandor? *NM*
13/08/2010 07:41:47 AM
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Honestly, if she's still alive, how is she going to die?
16/07/2010 05:49:06 AM
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Ahh, just remembered that some people think some Forsaken will survive Tarmon Gai'don. Still... *NM*
16/07/2010 05:51:41 AM
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Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory?
10/11/2010 04:09:41 AM
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Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers*
10/11/2010 04:41:11 AM
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Because he was right, that's why.
11/11/2010 03:39:39 AM
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Not by my reckoning. *Still contains ToM spoilers*
11/11/2010 04:22:59 AM
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