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Re: Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them Underwood Send a noteboard - 13/07/2010 09:09:09 PM
One: There is a difference between convoluted and complex.

Two: Any and every theory about Graendal being alive I've read has come from the point of view of knowing how she was killed, and assuming that she clearly would too, whereas the whole point of the scene was that no one would ever assume he would do something like that.

Every time I read something about her being alive it has always seemed to come from the idea of not wanting to believe what is clearly stated in the books, because it was displeasing to the reader.

Now, Sidious, I understand that you actually think she's dead, and are just trying out theories that could explain people's wishes that things were different. The problem with this theory is that it supposes Graendal would know the exact manner and time of her death, and deal with it in a way that would make everyone believe she was dead, and have foreknowledge that this was going to happen enough to plan, and have everything instantly ready to go on the off chance that this was the moment that Rand chose to strike. It's too much. Especially for these Forsaken, who time and again have been shown to not live up to anyone's impressions of them.
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What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? - 13/07/2010 09:00:05 AM 2088 Views
Too convulted to make any sense... - 13/07/2010 09:22:26 AM 1049 Views
Too convulted...... - 14/07/2010 07:26:26 PM 1252 Views
The logic is rather... - 15/07/2010 05:09:30 PM 945 Views
What is the reason Delana is with Graendal? - 13/07/2010 09:31:36 AM 1117 Views
Indeed... - 13/07/2010 10:06:32 AM 1030 Views
Re: Indeed... - 13/07/2010 10:10:43 AM 1066 Views
That is wrong - 13/07/2010 10:19:32 AM 899 Views
Re: That is wrong - 13/07/2010 10:29:16 AM 996 Views
It's not at all... - 13/07/2010 10:35:49 AM 899 Views
Plus... - 13/07/2010 12:18:12 PM 829 Views
I agree with part and disagree with part. - 14/07/2010 06:39:36 PM 906 Views
exactly - 14/07/2010 06:43:14 PM 920 Views
Does the Compulsion fit Graendal? - 13/07/2010 03:40:36 PM 969 Views
sorry but no - 13/07/2010 09:49:13 AM 1029 Views
Exactly - 13/07/2010 10:14:06 AM 890 Views
Yeah dacole provided powerful evidence *NM* - 13/07/2010 10:25:13 AM 494 Views
Actually... - 13/07/2010 10:30:24 AM 939 Views
Or, as with Moghedien. - 13/07/2010 02:35:44 PM 1084 Views
It makes perfect sense. - 13/07/2010 02:33:09 PM 950 Views
This is actually the first thing that I thought of in that scene *NM* - 13/07/2010 04:08:48 PM 628 Views
Yes, Graendal completely outsmarted Rand. - 13/07/2010 05:56:30 PM 1050 Views
I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted. - 13/07/2010 06:33:44 PM 1016 Views
Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them - 13/07/2010 08:41:54 PM 912 Views
Re: Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them - 13/07/2010 09:09:09 PM 992 Views
You draw too much attention to yourself, Mr Underwood *NM* - 14/07/2010 05:13:42 AM 595 Views
Ha, nice! *NM* - 14/07/2010 04:05:00 PM 493 Views
What are you talking about? I was agreeing with you, it's absurdly simple. - 13/07/2010 09:27:22 PM 998 Views
Huh - 14/07/2010 05:22:51 AM 986 Views
Why did the lair explode? - 14/07/2010 06:17:32 AM 924 Views
*NM* - 14/07/2010 01:58:17 PM 645 Views
While I generally agree with you...you missed an important detail. - 14/07/2010 02:06:31 PM 1114 Views
What did Rand tell Ramshalan... - 14/07/2010 04:29:04 PM 827 Views
Re: What did Rand tell Ramshalan... - 14/07/2010 04:52:11 PM 918 Views
... - 14/07/2010 09:22:21 PM 1103 Views
he doesn't have to read Rands mind - 14/07/2010 09:41:59 PM 870 Views
Provide a quote. - 15/07/2010 04:10:06 AM 1006 Views
read the chapter - 10/08/2010 09:22:02 PM 832 Views
Right, that's why I asked. Because I know you can't. - 10/08/2010 10:00:14 PM 953 Views
sigh ... always so aggressive ... why you gotta hate - 11/08/2010 03:23:31 AM 1051 Views
Was that what I asked for? - 11/08/2010 04:05:41 AM 803 Views
sorry misunderstood what you were looking for - 11/08/2010 04:50:17 PM 833 Views
Oh if that's what you want - 11/08/2010 04:45:19 PM 973 Views
why does it have to be a well thought out plan? - 14/07/2010 04:14:17 PM 839 Views
She would have to teach her pawn Compulsion. - 14/07/2010 04:30:12 PM 806 Views
No she'd only have to show Delana a weave to duplicate - 14/07/2010 04:48:24 PM 926 Views
Nonsense. - 14/07/2010 09:30:01 PM 976 Views
yet Sorilea, can duplicate Cadsuane's weaves after one quick glance - 14/07/2010 09:52:01 PM 971 Views
Which ones? - 15/07/2010 04:14:23 AM 853 Views
Re: Which ones? - 15/07/2010 05:25:28 AM 952 Views
Well. - 15/07/2010 06:53:29 AM 827 Views
Actually I think it's one of those things that make AS so stupid - 10/08/2010 09:36:43 PM 924 Views
the Sorilea moment is when they first meet Semirhage - 10/08/2010 09:32:26 PM 972 Views
Thanks for the quote. - 10/08/2010 10:02:36 PM 1042 Views
Re: I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted. - 14/07/2010 05:40:11 PM 852 Views
She's so smart, she knows Rand will bring along Nynaeve to check Delana's Compulsion - 13/07/2010 08:32:19 PM 866 Views
we've seen any number of times that a Channeler can make an exact copy of weaves - 14/07/2010 04:10:41 PM 988 Views
Ramshalan didn't know the plan as you claim - 14/07/2010 04:16:29 PM 776 Views
he knew enough to alert Graendal to the danger - 14/07/2010 04:50:26 PM 1019 Views
No. Don't think so. - 13/07/2010 08:35:34 PM 836 Views
I so desperately want you to be right. - 14/07/2010 06:30:16 AM 1001 Views
Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... - 14/07/2010 06:53:48 AM 894 Views
Re: Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... - 14/07/2010 07:10:49 AM 992 Views
Re: Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... - 15/07/2010 10:50:05 PM 909 Views
Yip - 14/07/2010 04:33:03 PM 895 Views
Lame. - 14/07/2010 10:44:47 AM 842 Views
Not really - 14/07/2010 04:15:38 PM 796 Views
she's dead, get over it *NM* - 14/07/2010 01:12:15 PM 537 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? - 14/07/2010 05:44:38 PM 845 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? - 14/07/2010 07:21:29 PM 931 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? - 10/08/2010 09:12:17 PM 1036 Views
Sounds about right. Wonder if he intends to try and get Callandor? *NM* - 13/08/2010 07:41:47 AM 326 Views
*shrug* Seems a bit complex to me... - 14/07/2010 07:17:49 PM 1214 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? - 15/07/2010 04:38:09 PM 951 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? - 10/11/2010 04:09:41 AM 825 Views
Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers* - 10/11/2010 04:41:11 AM 811 Views
Because he was right, that's why. - 11/11/2010 03:39:39 AM 825 Views
Not by my reckoning. *Still contains ToM spoilers* - 11/11/2010 04:22:59 AM 765 Views
No one ever gets every detail right - it's impossible - 11/11/2010 06:06:26 AM 1048 Views
Yes, but I don't think this was a detail. *Still ToM spoilers.* - 11/11/2010 06:31:40 AM 924 Views
Re: Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers* - 11/11/2010 04:12:38 AM 927 Views
Please try to maintain some decorum. *Also ToM spoilers* - 11/11/2010 04:45:08 AM 875 Views

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