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But we never... Etzel Send a noteboard - 15/07/2010 09:17:30 AM
Such a flashback device with a dead character never happened in the books before. It's the same as stating that it is likely that Semirhage, Elza, the BA in Caemlyn or any other dead characters will yet get a revealing scene in ToM where they chat about something. Completely absurd and also contrary to what BS said on this topic.

If there will be more info about Graendal it will come in the PoV from other characters, like fellow Forsaken or SH (or BS will reveal in in a Q&A). That is the way it is always done in the series, if a character died, and just makes the most sense.


Not with a dead character perhaps, but we did see a flashback of the battle at Dumai's wells from the POV of the Shaido, as they flee the attack of the Asha'man. We also have views of the Cleansing from the view of others as they sense the beacon of OP. It is not beyond reason that we might have a similar scene from Graendals POV.

This is especially true if Graendal turns up to have something to do with Perrins plotline (such as manipulating Masema via compulsion or something)


Have such a PoV from a character, who died in the previous book. Therefore it's highly unlikely that BS would suddenly do something like this.

One can't really understand why some people firmly believe that we will probably get such a scene from Graendal's PoV. It's like stating that we will likely get a Elza PoV in ToM, where she has a chat with her Warder before her death to give as important informations. If infos about Elza would be such important and couldn't be included in TGS for some reason, we would rather get a PoV of her Warder in ToM, where he thinks about Elza and their past talk. This is less confusing than bringing a dead character back and could actually advance the plot without jumping back in the timeline. The other way is unnecessarily more complicated.
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Chat with Brandon posted on Dragonmount Skeeve the Great - 12/07/2010 04:23:24 PM 2233 Views
This... Etzel - 12/07/2010 04:54:28 PM 1360 Views
how do you get there from this? darius_sedai - 12/07/2010 05:47:42 PM 1197 Views
Right. There could easily be a scene like this: beetnemesis - 12/07/2010 06:22:45 PM 1137 Views
Because... Etzel - 12/07/2010 10:40:29 PM 1179 Views
You're brilliant, Etzel, but Brandon is NOT robert jordan newyorkersedai - 13/07/2010 01:18:44 AM 1124 Views
He said it won't be 100% flashback like book 10 Rurouni_Kenshin - 13/07/2010 05:30:18 AM 1035 Views
But obviously not for the timelines, which are up to date. Etzel - 13/07/2010 08:41:37 AM 1137 Views
the only reason you say this is because you think it makes Slayer darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 02:39:52 AM 1108 Views
Re: the only reason you say this is because you think it makes Slayer dacole - 14/07/2010 04:54:16 AM 1082 Views
Graendal is part of several plot lines. Aran'gar at the very least is unseen in TGS, but involved darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 02:40:09 PM 1109 Views
No... Etzel - 14/07/2010 08:10:12 AM 1019 Views
so it's not possible for anything that has never been done in the series to happen... ok darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 02:38:08 PM 978 Views
Again, there is no sensible reason for a scene where Graendal is shown again before her death. *NM* Etzel - 14/07/2010 04:47:21 PM 944 Views
sure there is ... to tell us she killed Asmo darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:56:09 PM 1164 Views
Again... Etzel - 15/07/2010 08:57:34 AM 906 Views
or it could as easily be a scene from Aran'gar's POV that includes Graendal darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 01:36:21 PM 1064 Views
The point is... Etzel - 15/07/2010 01:55:43 PM 1013 Views
that is 100% your interpretation darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 02:51:49 PM 1065 Views
Noal was involved with Ishy; a connection to Graendal is pure speculation. Etzel - 15/07/2010 03:19:38 PM 974 Views
I'm pointing out that she had more than just Rands plot line darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 03:59:36 PM 975 Views
As far as we know... Etzel - 15/07/2010 04:06:56 PM 1053 Views
she also knows what Cyndane and Moghedien are up to and may be involved darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 01:58:36 PM 1178 Views
There is nothing to support your view, that Graendal was directly involved in any other plotlines... Etzel - 16/07/2010 02:31:01 PM 942 Views
She doesn't have to be in order to make an appearance in them darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 03:26:44 PM 1041 Views
We will see... *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 03:36:21 PM 1241 Views
Indeed Sidious - 13/07/2010 08:49:43 AM 954 Views
The "flashbacks" are obviously related to those characters, which aren't up to date yet... Etzel - 13/07/2010 09:14:04 AM 1153 Views
give up Eztel...they think they know Asmodens killer...we know they are wrong dacole - 13/07/2010 09:45:15 AM 1044 Views
I agree regarding Graendal, but have to disagree concerning Lanfear. *NM* Etzel - 13/07/2010 09:51:00 AM 1238 Views
Re: The "flashbacks" are obviously related to those characters, which aren't up to date yet... Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:03:14 AM 1080 Views
It's completely unlikely and unnecessary Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:25:36 AM 1150 Views
you keep trotting this point out like it matters darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:07:36 PM 1032 Views
a very irritating habit indeed!! Sidious - 15/07/2010 05:29:19 AM 1133 Views
There is no indication that Graendal & Aran'gar did anything, except for exchanging infos! Etzel - 15/07/2010 09:01:58 AM 970 Views
where do you get this stuff from? darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 01:41:07 PM 1170 Views
Eh, no Etzel - 15/07/2010 02:08:56 PM 1048 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 02:56:02 PM 1029 Views
Graendal actually tells that she learned interesting things from Aran'gar Etzel - 15/07/2010 03:14:54 PM 1133 Views
pure interpretation darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 04:00:31 PM 1037 Views
Well, it fits RJ's theme that the bad guys actually aren't that competent. *NM* Etzel - 15/07/2010 04:12:19 PM 1115 Views
No really since it would make Aran'gar look pretty competent *NM* darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 03:27:40 PM 465 Views
Aran'gar just had the luck that Rand wasn't after her Etzel - 16/07/2010 03:34:53 PM 857 Views
Exchanging info is not doing nothing Sidious - 15/07/2010 06:54:17 PM 999 Views
Re: Exchanging info is not doing nothing Etzel - 15/07/2010 10:08:44 PM 1016 Views
Re: Exchanging info is not doing nothing Sidious - 16/07/2010 05:30:25 AM 971 Views
IMO... Etzel - 16/07/2010 08:46:03 AM 946 Views
And... Etzel - 16/07/2010 11:35:44 AM 1056 Views
you continue to ignore that Graendal died about 2 months after she darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 02:06:48 PM 1090 Views
Usually the Forsaken meet in neutral TAR... Etzel - 16/07/2010 02:22:34 PM 1115 Views
not really darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 03:58:57 PM 1194 Views
Good, then we agree, if you consider it unlikely as well. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 05:56:50 PM 1185 Views
Trust me, Graendal won't be seen; only her name will be mentioned a few times (as BS said). *NM* Etzel - 15/07/2010 09:03:33 AM 1023 Views
You should really just write it for BS since you clearly know exactly what's going to happen darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 02:57:59 PM 1076 Views
Ok... Etzel - 15/07/2010 03:17:02 PM 940 Views
When did I say there would be a Graendal POV? darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 04:03:54 PM 1016 Views
I also just said that... Etzel - 15/07/2010 04:10:32 PM 920 Views
Re: It's completely unlikely and unnecessary Datakim - 14/07/2010 10:10:48 PM 976 Views
But we never... Etzel - 15/07/2010 09:17:30 AM 1030 Views
Re: But we never... Datakim - 15/07/2010 10:52:24 PM 987 Views
I think Etzel - 16/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 1079 Views
Re: I think Datakim - 16/07/2010 04:37:20 PM 1078 Views
Yeah, RAFO! I predigt however, that we won't have another Graendal PoV. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 05:59:26 PM 993 Views
Etzel, you're making an assumption that might not be true. Logain - 16/07/2010 05:47:39 PM 1151 Views
I admit the possibility, but consider it highly unlikely for the reasons I pointed out. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 05:58:01 PM 1095 Views
Because some people can't read... DomA - 14/07/2010 01:05:08 PM 1152 Views
Re: Because some people can't read... darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:14:27 PM 904 Views
Re: Because some people can't read... Sidious - 15/07/2010 05:31:22 AM 927 Views
Rand used so much baelfire on her that he zapped them all back to the last 3rd Age darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 01:38:48 PM 1141 Views
I wonder if their big role means Rand and Eg will get more chapters than first thought. *NM* RandAllThor - 12/07/2010 05:27:44 PM 1054 Views
Yeah, seems so. *NM* Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:19:53 PM 1008 Views
Brandon's "Mostly" answer makes it less likely we see the Land of Madmen as Demandred's base Logain - 12/07/2010 07:36:49 PM 1211 Views
hrmm, not necessarily Kieran - 12/07/2010 09:28:00 PM 983 Views
I agree. *NM* Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:24:21 PM 489 Views
Uh... TaskmasterJack - 12/07/2010 10:10:08 PM 1093 Views
or "can't" because ... Shishka - 12/07/2010 10:34:14 PM 960 Views
Re: or "can't" because ... TaskmasterJack - 13/07/2010 01:00:45 AM 985 Views
I think he isn't allowed to... Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:23:55 PM 1105 Views
On a somewhat related note, Sanderson says ToM consists of 80 chapters as of now. Ginormous! RandAllThor - 13/07/2010 01:54:15 AM 960 Views
Perrin catch-up? Comet Sedai - 13/07/2010 02:55:22 AM 909 Views
We will get it on screen Deadsy - 13/07/2010 03:30:33 AM 977 Views
On Mat's "death" Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:34:35 PM 1208 Views
Re: On Mat's "death" Datakim - 13/07/2010 02:23:19 PM 933 Views
This report was probably a misinterpretation Etzel - 14/07/2010 08:23:24 AM 1058 Views
Re: This report was probably a misinterpretation Datakim - 14/07/2010 10:03:36 PM 1062 Views
I emailed BS and he sent me copies of both the books he mentioned in the Q&A! Mats imaginary friend - 14/07/2010 08:32:58 PM 987 Views
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