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Etzel, you're making an assumption that might not be true. Logain Send a noteboard - 16/07/2010 05:47:39 PM

In fact, BS's answer that there are flashbacks makes is highly likely that we will get a Graendal PoV.


For example, Perrin, but also Lan or Loial.

It's complete nonsense to bring back a character that died in Rand's timeline - which is up to date - with a scene before the death; something like this also never happened before in the series. One could also argue in a similarly absurd way then that we will "likely" get another Semirhage or Elza PoV from before their deaths, just because it would be cool.


We all agree that Perrin and Mat's timelines have to be advanced and that they are weeks (maybe months) behind everyone else. Other minor characters are also behind, e.g. Lan, and some of those minor characters might get a chapter devoted to them, particularly Lan.

Anyway, why are you assuming Graendal couldn't have been playing a role in the Mat or Perrin parts of the world?

Wouldn't you agree that if Graendal has a part to play with what is happening to Mat or Perrin then she could appear in the next book? I think you have to agree of that possibility.

You're making a completely different argument in your other posts. You're saying that it would be awkward, from a literary perspective, to have a dead character make a reappearance in a later book. I agree, but that doesn't preclude the possibility of seeing Graendal in this next book.

Also, remember that originally there was only going to be one final book. The decision to split the final 900K words into three books might have made the difference here. For example, suppose that RJ always intended to reveal Asmo's killer via a Graendal POV in one of the Perrin or Mat threads. It is not too hard to imagine how the Asmo reveal might have been pushed back to ToM simply because there wasn't room in TGS due to the way the storylines were chopped up.

In any event, even if Graendal is dead (and I think she is) you cannot completely rule out seeing her in ToM because ToM goes backward in time by several weeks/months.

You should at least admit the possibility.
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how do you get there from this? - 12/07/2010 05:47:42 PM 1094 Views
Right. There could easily be a scene like this: - 12/07/2010 06:22:45 PM 1023 Views
Because... - 12/07/2010 10:40:29 PM 1075 Views
You're brilliant, Etzel, but Brandon is NOT robert jordan - 13/07/2010 01:18:44 AM 1006 Views
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so it's not possible for anything that has never been done in the series to happen... ok - 14/07/2010 02:38:08 PM 874 Views
Again, there is no sensible reason for a scene where Graendal is shown again before her death. *NM* - 14/07/2010 04:47:21 PM 832 Views
sure there is ... to tell us she killed Asmo - 14/07/2010 04:56:09 PM 1037 Views
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The "flashbacks" are obviously related to those characters, which aren't up to date yet... - 13/07/2010 09:14:04 AM 1040 Views
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a very irritating habit indeed!! - 15/07/2010 05:29:19 AM 1026 Views
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Well, it fits RJ's theme that the bad guys actually aren't that competent. *NM* - 15/07/2010 04:12:19 PM 1012 Views
No really since it would make Aran'gar look pretty competent *NM* - 16/07/2010 03:27:40 PM 421 Views
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Good, then we agree, if you consider it unlikely as well. *NM* - 16/07/2010 05:56:50 PM 1063 Views
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Etzel, you're making an assumption that might not be true. - 16/07/2010 05:47:39 PM 1034 Views
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I emailed BS and he sent me copies of both the books he mentioned in the Q&A! - 14/07/2010 08:32:58 PM 882 Views

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