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Etzel, you're making an assumption that might not be true. Logain Send a noteboard - 16/07/2010 05:47:39 PM

In fact, BS's answer that there are flashbacks makes is highly likely that we will get a Graendal PoV.


For example, Perrin, but also Lan or Loial.

It's complete nonsense to bring back a character that died in Rand's timeline - which is up to date - with a scene before the death; something like this also never happened before in the series. One could also argue in a similarly absurd way then that we will "likely" get another Semirhage or Elza PoV from before their deaths, just because it would be cool.


We all agree that Perrin and Mat's timelines have to be advanced and that they are weeks (maybe months) behind everyone else. Other minor characters are also behind, e.g. Lan, and some of those minor characters might get a chapter devoted to them, particularly Lan.

Anyway, why are you assuming Graendal couldn't have been playing a role in the Mat or Perrin parts of the world?

Wouldn't you agree that if Graendal has a part to play with what is happening to Mat or Perrin then she could appear in the next book? I think you have to agree of that possibility.

You're making a completely different argument in your other posts. You're saying that it would be awkward, from a literary perspective, to have a dead character make a reappearance in a later book. I agree, but that doesn't preclude the possibility of seeing Graendal in this next book.

Also, remember that originally there was only going to be one final book. The decision to split the final 900K words into three books might have made the difference here. For example, suppose that RJ always intended to reveal Asmo's killer via a Graendal POV in one of the Perrin or Mat threads. It is not too hard to imagine how the Asmo reveal might have been pushed back to ToM simply because there wasn't room in TGS due to the way the storylines were chopped up.

In any event, even if Graendal is dead (and I think she is) you cannot completely rule out seeing her in ToM because ToM goes backward in time by several weeks/months.

You should at least admit the possibility.
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Chat with Brandon posted on Dragonmount - 12/07/2010 04:23:24 PM 2131 Views
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how do you get there from this? - 12/07/2010 05:47:42 PM 1112 Views
Right. There could easily be a scene like this: - 12/07/2010 06:22:45 PM 1045 Views
Because... - 12/07/2010 10:40:29 PM 1094 Views
You're brilliant, Etzel, but Brandon is NOT robert jordan - 13/07/2010 01:18:44 AM 1024 Views
He said it won't be 100% flashback like book 10 - 13/07/2010 05:30:18 AM 939 Views
But obviously not for the timelines, which are up to date. - 13/07/2010 08:41:37 AM 1051 Views
the only reason you say this is because you think it makes Slayer - 14/07/2010 02:39:52 AM 1025 Views
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so it's not possible for anything that has never been done in the series to happen... ok - 14/07/2010 02:38:08 PM 889 Views
Again, there is no sensible reason for a scene where Graendal is shown again before her death. *NM* - 14/07/2010 04:47:21 PM 851 Views
sure there is ... to tell us she killed Asmo - 14/07/2010 04:56:09 PM 1051 Views
Again... - 15/07/2010 08:57:34 AM 815 Views
or it could as easily be a scene from Aran'gar's POV that includes Graendal - 15/07/2010 01:36:21 PM 980 Views
The point is... - 15/07/2010 01:55:43 PM 924 Views
that is 100% your interpretation - 15/07/2010 02:51:49 PM 963 Views
Noal was involved with Ishy; a connection to Graendal is pure speculation. - 15/07/2010 03:19:38 PM 870 Views
I'm pointing out that she had more than just Rands plot line - 15/07/2010 03:59:36 PM 877 Views
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We will see... *NM* - 16/07/2010 03:36:21 PM 1151 Views
Indeed - 13/07/2010 08:49:43 AM 864 Views
The "flashbacks" are obviously related to those characters, which aren't up to date yet... - 13/07/2010 09:14:04 AM 1059 Views
Re: The "flashbacks" are obviously related to those characters, which aren't up to date yet... - 13/07/2010 10:03:14 AM 988 Views
It's completely unlikely and unnecessary - 13/07/2010 10:25:36 AM 1058 Views
you keep trotting this point out like it matters - 14/07/2010 09:07:36 PM 944 Views
a very irritating habit indeed!! - 15/07/2010 05:29:19 AM 1045 Views
There is no indication that Graendal & Aran'gar did anything, except for exchanging infos! - 15/07/2010 09:01:58 AM 878 Views
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Graendal actually tells that she learned interesting things from Aran'gar - 15/07/2010 03:14:54 PM 1036 Views
pure interpretation - 15/07/2010 04:00:31 PM 951 Views
Well, it fits RJ's theme that the bad guys actually aren't that competent. *NM* - 15/07/2010 04:12:19 PM 1027 Views
No really since it would make Aran'gar look pretty competent *NM* - 16/07/2010 03:27:40 PM 426 Views
Aran'gar just had the luck that Rand wasn't after her - 16/07/2010 03:34:53 PM 766 Views
Exchanging info is not doing nothing - 15/07/2010 06:54:17 PM 897 Views
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IMO... - 16/07/2010 08:46:03 AM 851 Views
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you continue to ignore that Graendal died about 2 months after she - 16/07/2010 02:06:48 PM 971 Views
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not really - 16/07/2010 03:58:57 PM 1109 Views
Good, then we agree, if you consider it unlikely as well. *NM* - 16/07/2010 05:56:50 PM 1089 Views
Trust me, Graendal won't be seen; only her name will be mentioned a few times (as BS said). *NM* - 15/07/2010 09:03:33 AM 943 Views
You should really just write it for BS since you clearly know exactly what's going to happen - 15/07/2010 02:57:59 PM 953 Views
Ok... - 15/07/2010 03:17:02 PM 855 Views
When did I say there would be a Graendal POV? - 15/07/2010 04:03:54 PM 930 Views
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Etzel, you're making an assumption that might not be true. - 16/07/2010 05:47:39 PM 1057 Views
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I wonder if their big role means Rand and Eg will get more chapters than first thought. *NM* - 12/07/2010 05:27:44 PM 970 Views
Yeah, seems so. *NM* - 13/07/2010 12:19:53 PM 930 Views
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I emailed BS and he sent me copies of both the books he mentioned in the Q&A! - 14/07/2010 08:32:58 PM 903 Views

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