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Right, that's why I asked. Because I know you can't. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 10/08/2010 10:00:14 PM
Again,

I suggest you reread that passage, what Rand says is that Graendal is so much smarter than him and that he has no way of matching her, and that he needs to get some allies who are more clever than her (to say nothing of that absurd idea about allying with Graendal, which she surely wouldn't buy after Sammael tried that trick), there is nothing that indicates that Rand is going to balefire her palace in the next few minutes (or days, or even weeks), everything in that conversation suggests Rand is stumped and is unable to find an answer to dealing with Graendal.


Incidentally, in order for Graendal to learn this, she would have to Compel Ramshalan. Given that you claim that she only thought of the channeling pawn scheme after getting information from Ramshalan, why would she have someone else Compel him in the first place? Again, it is impossible.

Either Graendal had someone else Compel Ramshalan from the moment he arrived, which would make anything she learned from him irrelevant, or she did Compel him, and your entire argument is moot.


All she had to do was hold a compulsion on him while interrogating him then release it and have someone else do the "bigger" job if she so chose. This is not a difficult concept she did much the same to Moghedien and Cyndane in WH.
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What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? Sidious - 13/07/2010 09:00:05 AM 2160 Views
Too convulted to make any sense... Etzel - 13/07/2010 09:22:26 AM 1100 Views
Too convulted...... Jeordam - 14/07/2010 07:26:26 PM 1339 Views
The logic is rather... Etzel - 15/07/2010 05:09:30 PM 1005 Views
What is the reason Delana is with Graendal? Artsapat - 13/07/2010 09:31:36 AM 1179 Views
Indeed... Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:06:32 AM 1087 Views
Re: Indeed... Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:10:43 AM 1144 Views
That is wrong Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:19:32 AM 986 Views
Re: That is wrong Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:29:16 AM 1056 Views
It's not at all... Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:35:49 AM 965 Views
Plus... Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:18:12 PM 895 Views
I agree with part and disagree with part. Logain - 14/07/2010 06:39:36 PM 970 Views
exactly darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 06:43:14 PM 978 Views
Does the Compulsion fit Graendal? Lohikaarme - 13/07/2010 03:40:36 PM 1035 Views
sorry but no dacole - 13/07/2010 09:49:13 AM 1108 Views
Exactly Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:14:06 AM 952 Views
Yeah dacole provided powerful evidence *NM* Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:25:13 AM 527 Views
Actually... Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:30:24 AM 1002 Views
Or, as with Moghedien. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/07/2010 02:35:44 PM 1149 Views
It makes perfect sense. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/07/2010 02:33:09 PM 1014 Views
I won't be 100% sure she's dead until we get a solid "she's toast" from either the text darius_sedai - 13/07/2010 04:21:18 PM 1033 Views
This is actually the first thing that I thought of in that scene *NM* darius_sedai - 13/07/2010 04:08:48 PM 665 Views
Until I have absolute proof to the contrary.(Confirmation by Harriot or BS) krassos - 13/07/2010 04:20:49 PM 933 Views
If Graendal didn't know Rand would use balefire, why would she have Delana do the Compulsion? beetnemesis - 13/07/2010 04:57:10 PM 1213 Views
Yes, Graendal completely outsmarted Rand. Fanatic-Templar - 13/07/2010 05:56:30 PM 1107 Views
I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/07/2010 06:33:44 PM 1080 Views
Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them Sidious - 13/07/2010 08:41:54 PM 999 Views
Re: Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them Underwood - 13/07/2010 09:09:09 PM 1053 Views
You draw too much attention to yourself, Mr Underwood *NM* Sidious - 14/07/2010 05:13:42 AM 626 Views
Ha, nice! *NM* Underwood - 14/07/2010 04:05:00 PM 527 Views
What are you talking about? I was agreeing with you, it's absurdly simple. Fanatic-Templar - 13/07/2010 09:27:22 PM 1060 Views
Huh Sidious - 14/07/2010 05:22:51 AM 1045 Views
Why did the lair explode? Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 06:17:32 AM 1009 Views
*NM* Skeeve the Great - 14/07/2010 01:58:17 PM 684 Views
While I generally agree with you...you missed an important detail. Mik - 14/07/2010 02:06:31 PM 1185 Views
What did Rand tell Ramshalan... Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 04:29:04 PM 892 Views
Re: What did Rand tell Ramshalan... darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:52:11 PM 985 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 09:22:21 PM 1162 Views
he doesn't have to read Rands mind darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:41:59 PM 931 Views
Provide a quote. Fanatic-Templar - 15/07/2010 04:10:06 AM 1059 Views
read the chapter darius_sedai - 10/08/2010 09:22:02 PM 904 Views
Right, that's why I asked. Because I know you can't. Fanatic-Templar - 10/08/2010 10:00:14 PM 1027 Views
sigh ... always so aggressive ... why you gotta hate darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 03:23:31 AM 1117 Views
Was that what I asked for? Fanatic-Templar - 11/08/2010 04:05:41 AM 863 Views
sorry misunderstood what you were looking for darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 04:50:17 PM 914 Views
Oh if that's what you want darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 04:45:19 PM 1030 Views
Yes, he pretty much says out loud that he can't just wipe out her fortress. Fanatic-Templar - 11/08/2010 06:57:39 PM 946 Views
Re: Yes, he pretty much says out loud that he can't just wipe out her fortress. darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 09:20:10 PM 937 Views
why does it have to be a well thought out plan? darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:14:17 PM 912 Views
She would have to teach her pawn Compulsion. Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 04:30:12 PM 895 Views
No she'd only have to show Delana a weave to duplicate darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:48:24 PM 990 Views
Nonsense. Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 09:30:01 PM 1036 Views
yet Sorilea, can duplicate Cadsuane's weaves after one quick glance darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:52:01 PM 1034 Views
Which ones? Fanatic-Templar - 15/07/2010 04:14:23 AM 908 Views
Re: Which ones? Sidious - 15/07/2010 05:25:28 AM 1010 Views
Well. Fanatic-Templar - 15/07/2010 06:53:29 AM 891 Views
Actually I think it's one of those things that make AS so stupid darius_sedai - 10/08/2010 09:36:43 PM 974 Views
the Sorilea moment is when they first meet Semirhage darius_sedai - 10/08/2010 09:32:26 PM 1050 Views
Thanks for the quote. Fanatic-Templar - 10/08/2010 10:02:36 PM 1122 Views
Re: I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted. saidarisnowtainted - 14/07/2010 05:40:11 PM 916 Views
She's so smart, she knows Rand will bring along Nynaeve to check Delana's Compulsion BlackAdder - 13/07/2010 08:32:19 PM 919 Views
we've seen any number of times that a Channeler can make an exact copy of weaves darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:10:41 PM 1055 Views
Ramshalan didn't know the plan as you claim Skeeve the Great - 14/07/2010 04:16:29 PM 832 Views
he knew enough to alert Graendal to the danger darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:50:26 PM 1074 Views
No. Don't think so. Tom - 13/07/2010 08:35:34 PM 903 Views
I so desperately want you to be right. Seriana Sedai - 14/07/2010 06:30:16 AM 1057 Views
Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2010 06:53:48 AM 975 Views
Re: Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 07:10:49 AM 1055 Views
Re: Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 10:50:05 PM 991 Views
Yip Sidious - 14/07/2010 04:33:03 PM 959 Views
Lame. eucatastrophe - 14/07/2010 10:44:47 AM 898 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:15:38 PM 859 Views
she's dead, get over it *NM* Yunalesca - 14/07/2010 01:12:15 PM 577 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? saidarisnowtainted - 14/07/2010 05:44:38 PM 904 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/07/2010 07:21:29 PM 993 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? saidarisnowtainted - 10/08/2010 09:12:17 PM 1096 Views
Sounds about right. Wonder if he intends to try and get Callandor? *NM* Lord Haart - 13/08/2010 07:41:47 AM 357 Views
*shrug* Seems a bit complex to me... Jeordam - 14/07/2010 07:17:49 PM 1296 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? Underwood - 15/07/2010 04:38:09 PM 1011 Views
Honestly, if she's still alive, how is she going to die? Gher - 16/07/2010 05:49:06 AM 913 Views
Ahh, just remembered that some people think some Forsaken will survive Tarmon Gai'don. Still... *NM* Gher - 16/07/2010 05:51:41 AM 481 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? scooter - 10/11/2010 04:09:41 AM 886 Views
Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers* Fanatic-Templar - 10/11/2010 04:41:11 AM 863 Views
Because he was right, that's why. Terez - 11/11/2010 03:39:39 AM 884 Views
Not by my reckoning. *Still contains ToM spoilers* Fanatic-Templar - 11/11/2010 04:22:59 AM 850 Views
No one ever gets every detail right - it's impossible Terez - 11/11/2010 06:06:26 AM 1107 Views
Yes, but I don't think this was a detail. *Still ToM spoilers.* Fanatic-Templar - 11/11/2010 06:31:40 AM 986 Views
Re: Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers* scooter - 11/11/2010 04:12:38 AM 989 Views
Please try to maintain some decorum. *Also ToM spoilers* Fanatic-Templar - 11/11/2010 04:45:08 AM 935 Views
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