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Well there is one thing to consider about this darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 21/09/2010 07:32:44 PM
Nice end to Lan's part. Will update soon!

Well, it feels really nice to be right. Partially, at least!

The fact that Graendal had a PoV, and escaped Rand's huge Balefire attack with just a broken ankle to show, was definitely the highlight of this Prologue!

For once, I was actually scared of one of the Foresaken. This woman knows her job, alright! If only she had had a more major role before! Or maybe not, as a surprise big-wig, she's excellent!

So it turns out Rand did surprise her, though she figured out Nynaeve waskind of behind it almost at once. Then, true to character, she played it safe, in an impressive manner. If only Rahvin, Sammael and Be'lal had had this much sense, they'd have beaten Rand long ago! I do wish they'd had her come up with a good reason for using Delana though. That part was a little weak.

And Graendal now wants Nynaeve dead. It seems we'll see an epic fight between Nynaeve and a Foresaken after all!

Perrin's part was actually interesting to me. I'm unsurprised there's some distance between him and Faile. His story looks set to move in interesting directions.

Lan and Galad were nice, though Lan's part was too short, for my liking. I'd like to have had a longer PoV featuring him.

The final scene in the Blightborder was awesome. The dismal landscape and the hopeless bravery... this is the kind of stuff that screams the LB is approaching.

On the whole, a very nice prologue, and I'm very very glad Graendal is alive and seeking revenge. She is the First Foresaken who seems aware of Nynaeve and Egwene. She now has personal cause not only against Rand but Nyn as well. She also seems to plan to kill Min. Can it be that Graendal is part of Rand's entourage now? I doubt she remained behind in Arad Doman.

It is also interesting that she has the use of the TP again. And she can shield Delana and Aran'gar, wrap them in Air, and weave a Gateway all at once. Another little proof that I was right about how strong the strongest women are.


Firstly, let me say that I am not able to access the Prologue as I'm not based in the US.

However, based on what I've read, Graendal apparently shielded Arangar and Delana simultaneously (possibly without using her angreal) wrapped them in Air and wove a Gateway.

Now, it is doubtful that even Ishamael or Rand could do that to a Forsaken strength male and an average Aes Sedai at the same time, while spinning gateways and bonds of Air as well.

Graendal's angreal may explain it - if it doubles her strength, but you'd think that if she can do that to a Forsaken male plus an Aes Sedai, then Verin's little circle really shouldn't have presented her with any trouble.

Sometimes I just feel that Sanderson doesn't grasp the nuances of One Power mechanics that have been carefully constructed over the course of 15 years and 10 books prior to his entry into the series.


Neither Aran'gar nor Delana were actually holding the Power when they had shields placed on them ... and the whole scene from there on took less than a minute so it's also very possible that Aran'gar at least could have shattered the shield put on her very quickly ... just not quickly enough since she was caught by surprise too.

There is also no indication that Graendal could have cut Aran'gar off from the Source if Aran'gar had been holding it.

Personally after having read it now 3 times I think this is more about how Skilled Graendal is with the OP ... she was able to do all this and jump through a Gateway inside of 30 seconds.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Towers of Midnight : Prologue discussion - 21/09/2010 04:38:40 AM 9318 Views
Me Too! Guess who is alive!! - 21/09/2010 04:44:40 AM 2689 Views
A dove, that's weird - 21/09/2010 03:19:10 PM 2495 Views
Re: A dove, that's weird - 21/09/2010 03:26:39 PM 2427 Views
Yes, that's the point - 21/09/2010 11:49:00 PM 2262 Views
It did feel a bit deus ex machina - 22/09/2010 12:03:05 AM 2397 Views
Fain is as creepy as ever - 21/09/2010 05:06:35 AM 2531 Views
You all can go to heck (and find me a link!) *NM* - 21/09/2010 05:10:47 AM 1491 Views
Re: You all can go to heck (and find me a link!) - 21/09/2010 05:14:26 AM 2599 Views
It's D/L on B&N now *NM* - 21/09/2010 05:15:44 AM 1411 Views
Anyone find the audiobook version? *NM* - 21/09/2010 10:20:22 AM 1341 Views
I love the borderlanders - 21/09/2010 05:25:29 AM 2459 Views
Best scene of the prologue *NM* - 21/09/2010 03:28:28 PM 1426 Views
Could somebody post a link to where they got it? I want to go to a site where I can download now *NM* - 21/09/2010 05:39:13 AM 1428 Views
I posted some links here - 21/09/2010 06:04:38 AM 2345 Views
My quick summary - 21/09/2010 06:02:41 AM 3150 Views
Whoa, whoa, whoa. - 23/09/2010 02:59:37 AM 2182 Views
It's good, but... Perrin. Ugh. - 21/09/2010 07:37:43 AM 2487 Views
Awesome! - 21/09/2010 09:00:45 AM 2264 Views
Regarding Graendal - 21/09/2010 10:12:42 AM 2779 Views
Some things... - 21/09/2010 01:18:10 PM 2337 Views
I'm glad. Being right is a good feeling - 21/09/2010 04:12:08 PM 2291 Views
a very weak angreal - 21/09/2010 04:55:15 PM 2310 Views
Even a weak angreal - 21/09/2010 05:47:26 PM 2263 Views
The Angreal Elayne mentions made her 2x as strong as Nynaeve - 21/09/2010 06:04:21 PM 2142 Views
The laughter in Perrin's Dream - 21/09/2010 02:24:14 PM 2362 Views
Probably Slayer - 21/09/2010 04:29:41 PM 2274 Views
Re: Probably Slayer - 21/09/2010 04:39:36 PM 2080 Views
Audio Book - 21/09/2010 06:39:54 PM 2184 Views
Not even Ishamael could shield another male Forsaken and an Aes Sedai at the same time... - 21/09/2010 06:46:42 PM 2423 Views
It's different (I think?) but I'm certainly no expert and I'm sure someone else will reply - 21/09/2010 06:57:18 PM 2297 Views
OK, I haven't read the scene, so I don't know if Arangar was holding saidin at the time or not - 21/09/2010 07:00:23 PM 2119 Views
Re: OK, I haven't read the scene, so I don't know if Arangar was holding saidin at the time or not. - 21/09/2010 07:11:42 PM 2202 Views
Thanks. Was Arangar channeling at the time? - 21/09/2010 07:13:53 PM 2201 Views
I think so, yes. - 21/09/2010 07:15:44 PM 2150 Views
I don't think so actually - 21/09/2010 07:57:42 PM 2277 Views
I don't think Aran'gar was channeling - 21/09/2010 11:00:22 PM 2176 Views
I don't think she even closed her Gateway. It think it was BF'd *NM* - 21/09/2010 11:52:01 PM 1193 Views
no she wasn't *NM* - 21/09/2010 10:25:13 PM 1307 Views
nope, no power - 23/09/2010 03:05:30 AM 2062 Views
So here's what happens... - 21/09/2010 07:15:03 PM 2601 Views
Thanks. A few comments... - 21/09/2010 07:27:33 PM 2076 Views
I don't rule out the angreal... - 21/09/2010 07:32:40 PM 2062 Views
Elayne's weakest angreal doubles her strength. Graendal x2 can easily shield Cyndane+Moggy, so... - 21/09/2010 07:35:06 PM 2221 Views
Graendal's seemed much weaker... - 21/09/2010 07:52:20 PM 2073 Views
Elayne also called the x2 turtle angreal "weak"... - 21/09/2010 08:00:01 PM 2114 Views
and we know it wasn't enough to overwhlem Verin's circle - 21/09/2010 08:02:13 PM 1960 Views
I disasgree. There is no evidence that Aran'gar was holding saidin at the time - 21/09/2010 07:42:23 PM 2080 Views
Then why did she gasp at the shield? She couldn't have known what Graendal was weaving. - 21/09/2010 07:52:49 PM 2096 Views
because she was surprised that Graendal would put a shield on her in the first place - 21/09/2010 07:58:45 PM 2120 Views
How did she know there was a shield? - 21/09/2010 09:16:59 PM 2068 Views
Fact: Graendal cannot shield a male Forsaken and an Aes Sedai if they are holding the Source... - 21/09/2010 09:28:17 PM 2048 Views
Who said "they"? - 21/09/2010 09:55:28 PM 2045 Views
I really don't think you have to be holding the source to know you've been shielded - 21/09/2010 10:29:20 PM 1959 Views
Provide evidence? - 21/09/2010 10:36:36 PM 2064 Views
Thanks, but like I said, they were both wrapped in air. That's enough for Aran'gar to wonder - 21/09/2010 10:44:17 PM 1971 Views
They gasped before Graendal wove Air... - 21/09/2010 11:13:48 PM 2024 Views
Alright, you win *NM* - 22/09/2010 02:51:26 AM 1251 Views
*NM* - 22/09/2010 03:06:22 AM 1092 Views
Siuan was distracted by a number of other things going on, not to mention how suspect - 22/09/2010 02:43:36 PM 1916 Views
And Aran'gar was fully focussed on Graendal? - 22/09/2010 03:02:16 PM 2179 Views
More so than Siuan was on Elaida when they were shielded. - 22/09/2010 03:33:15 PM 2972 Views
So? - 22/09/2010 03:48:11 PM 1863 Views
It doesn't matter. There are more Shieldings that go unnoticed when not holding the Source - 22/09/2010 03:55:48 PM 1959 Views
Nice catches! - 22/09/2010 04:06:52 PM 2109 Views
we don't know that - 22/09/2010 02:35:50 PM 2027 Views
Huh? - 22/09/2010 03:03:52 PM 1962 Views
Give over, Darius... there's plenty of evidence... - 22/09/2010 03:45:11 PM 2003 Views
Give over what? There is no hard evidence that Aran'gar wouldn't notice a shield put on her - 22/09/2010 05:00:11 PM 1894 Views
What rot... (also, Egwene and Rand) - 22/09/2010 05:21:08 PM 2028 Views
take a pill Fionwe ... no need to go batshit on me for having an opinion. - 22/09/2010 05:38:21 PM 1994 Views
Re: take a pill Fionwe ... no need to go batshit on me for having an opinion. - 22/09/2010 05:45:05 PM 2145 Views
if it was JUST one shield ... but she's shielding an AS and weaving a Gateway too! - 22/09/2010 05:48:52 PM 4043 Views
Well... - 22/09/2010 07:00:26 PM 2030 Views
She says... - 22/09/2010 07:04:32 PM 2043 Views
no one is arguing that - 22/09/2010 07:09:17 PM 2027 Views
Er... - 22/09/2010 07:19:09 PM 1969 Views
I'm contending that it's possible Aran'gar snesed she'd been shielded - 22/09/2010 07:20:48 PM 2790 Views
Re: I'm contending that it's possible Aran'gar snesed she'd been shielded - 22/09/2010 07:26:52 PM 2752 Views
Again, I just find that option completely unlikely since Graendals angreal isn't all that strong - 22/09/2010 07:39:02 PM 2038 Views
You've made a long list of channelers "incompetant" and "untrained". Enough. - 23/09/2010 01:53:25 AM 2101 Views
Re: You've made a long list of channelers "incompetant" and "untrained". Enough. - 23/09/2010 03:42:31 PM 1989 Views
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Re: . The evidence is that no channeled is that strong! - 23/09/2010 04:04:02 PM 2105 Views
Really? - 23/09/2010 06:11:00 PM 2085 Views
Re: Really? - 23/09/2010 09:56:09 PM 1966 Views
That's my point *NM* - 24/09/2010 12:20:45 AM 1239 Views
Dear God! The sheer amount of replies here just blew my mind, and my window (jk). *NM* - 24/09/2010 07:28:14 PM 1291 Views
Y o u' r e h u r t i n g m y s c r o l l b a r *NM* - 24/09/2010 11:30:27 PM 1234 Views
Re: She says... - 22/09/2010 07:12:48 PM 2025 Views
Exactly. - 23/09/2010 01:54:05 AM 1974 Views
The way it reads she is holding open a Gateway, then slams shields on both - 22/09/2010 07:08:17 PM 1967 Views
Continue being irrational then... - 22/09/2010 05:46:19 PM 2095 Views
Re: Continue being irrational then... - 22/09/2010 05:53:05 PM 1973 Views
Re: Continue being irrational then... - 22/09/2010 07:03:02 PM 1960 Views
Nope - 22/09/2010 07:19:30 PM 1867 Views
Re: Nope - 23/09/2010 02:06:35 AM 2009 Views
Toveine! Now THAT is a good catch, fionwe! - 23/09/2010 07:57:05 AM 2123 Views
Sidious pointed it out, actually. But thanks! - 23/09/2010 03:55:29 PM 2020 Views
And you ignore all the evidence in the series that definitively makes it impossible for Graendal to - 23/09/2010 03:57:49 PM 1893 Views
Well... - 23/09/2010 04:31:27 PM 2093 Views
According to Fionwe she isn't using the angreal - 24/09/2010 11:18:30 PM 2247 Views
Re: According to Fionwe she isn't using the angreal - 25/09/2010 09:38:41 AM 2057 Views
Re: Continue being irrational then... - 24/09/2010 03:20:49 AM 2204 Views
Oh come on.. be real - 22/09/2010 05:39:51 PM 1952 Views
see that's an argument that makes more sense to me - 22/09/2010 05:47:17 PM 2050 Views
Re: How did she know there was a shield? - 24/09/2010 04:42:25 AM 1971 Views
You'[re missing the part about the bonds of air as well - 21/09/2010 11:06:04 PM 1991 Views
No. The sequence was shield-gasp-tie off shield-wrap in Air. *NM* - 21/09/2010 11:14:41 PM 1274 Views
We have seen people holding the source caught off guard by a shield *NM* - 22/09/2010 12:10:48 AM 1224 Views
Well, exactly! - 22/09/2010 02:01:12 AM 2032 Views
What I think happened - 22/09/2010 09:19:57 AM 2001 Views
It's not the male/female issue. It's a Forsaken vs Forsaken issue... - 22/09/2010 10:06:47 AM 1961 Views
Re: It's not the male/female issue. It's a Forsaken vs Forsaken issue... - 22/09/2010 01:31:52 PM 2074 Views
Fair point. - 22/09/2010 02:07:05 PM 2058 Views
I think it also bears mentioning that ... - 22/09/2010 04:17:17 PM 2030 Views
Graendal knew Aran'gar was distracted - 23/09/2010 07:10:52 AM 1991 Views
About shielding a channeler holding the Source... - 22/09/2010 05:51:34 PM 3072 Views
Re: About shielding a channeler holding the Source... - 22/09/2010 07:04:37 PM 3484 Views
The angreal makes this an unnecessary debate... - 22/09/2010 07:09:20 PM 1978 Views
she never shielded them - 22/09/2010 07:22:29 PM 1970 Views
True...But it made her strong enough to easily overcome both... - 22/09/2010 07:28:12 PM 1912 Views
This I can believe ... it's just problematic since the angreal isn't mentioned - 22/09/2010 07:51:19 PM 2035 Views
Re: This I can believe ... it's just problematic since the angreal isn't mentioned - 22/09/2010 07:54:18 PM 1969 Views
LMAO... nice! - 22/09/2010 08:24:20 PM 1967 Views
I think we need to place Aran'gar lower too.. - 22/09/2010 07:10:29 PM 2078 Views
A lot of unsubstantiated assumptions there... - 22/09/2010 07:13:51 PM 1893 Views
I would agree - 22/09/2010 07:22:50 PM 2080 Views
Re: I would agree - 22/09/2010 07:25:46 PM 1911 Views
Re: A lot of unsubstantiated assumptions there... - 23/09/2010 03:03:26 AM 1969 Views
Mostly agree - 22/09/2010 07:23:53 PM 1987 Views
Re: Mostly agree - 22/09/2010 07:28:42 PM 1936 Views
I am starting to believe that RJ didn't think quite so literally - 22/09/2010 08:07:45 PM 2015 Views
Not sure if you agreed with this before, but I reached this point awhile ago bwahaha - 22/09/2010 08:53:42 PM 2011 Views
I've been on this side for a good long while - 22/09/2010 09:40:43 PM 2124 Views
*NM* - 28/09/2010 11:54:54 PM 1189 Views
Well there is one thing to consider about this - 21/09/2010 07:32:44 PM 2255 Views
So there are 6 Forsaken left. - 21/09/2010 10:23:22 PM 2249 Views
For the record - 21/09/2010 10:53:16 PM 2163 Views
She opened two Gateways, IIRC - 21/09/2010 11:58:29 PM 2024 Views
Re: She opened two Gateways, IIRC - 22/09/2010 02:21:47 AM 2096 Views
Wait...so NO ONE has wanted to discuss the Sapphic scene at Graendal's place? - 22/09/2010 03:48:36 AM 2204 Views
yes, totally Lesbian. *NM* - 22/09/2010 03:04:16 PM 1251 Views
No, the other L word. "LesbiAHNS?" *NM* - 22/09/2010 04:18:55 PM 1344 Views
Yes, it was totally lesbian. - 22/09/2010 07:09:19 PM 1990 Views
No, not at all. Aran'gar is still a dude at heart. I think. *NM* - 22/09/2010 08:18:55 PM 1241 Views
I tend to agree - 23/09/2010 05:42:52 PM 2017 Views
Lady parts + Lady parts = Lesbian sex - 24/09/2010 11:24:36 PM 2637 Views
Yes, but its still a little off - 25/09/2010 09:40:16 AM 2052 Views
Transgender is a little convoluted I suppose - 25/09/2010 04:41:33 PM 2223 Views
Re: Transgender is a little convoluted I suppose - 25/09/2010 05:25:10 PM 2113 Views
What does Graendal think of Rand? - 22/09/2010 02:00:28 PM 2191 Views
She was really surprised and scared. - 22/09/2010 02:11:28 PM 2142 Views
I take it you haven't read the Prologue. - 22/09/2010 02:16:49 PM 2032 Views
Quite a bit... - 22/09/2010 02:31:14 PM 2177 Views
Agreed, she's been worrying about him since the begining - 22/09/2010 03:18:48 PM 2242 Views
Thanks for the answers *NM* - 22/09/2010 05:46:05 PM 1220 Views
Second best prologue ever... - 22/09/2010 06:24:44 PM 2407 Views
It's my favorite ever. Only one dark spot tarnished it. - 22/09/2010 07:18:12 PM 2037 Views
Yeah, tEotW is the best... - 22/09/2010 08:22:12 PM 2095 Views
Aran'gar is a tool - 22/09/2010 07:31:36 PM 2254 Views
Yes. s/He was. - 22/09/2010 08:59:16 PM 2039 Views
Shadow invading Kandor and Lan riding trough it. CONNECTION? - 22/09/2010 08:36:05 PM 2245 Views
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Nice prologue, but not superb, IMO - 23/09/2010 05:45:41 PM 2182 Views
Re: Nice prologue, but not superb, IMO - 23/09/2010 09:54:33 PM 2109 Views
I believe that Sanderson concocted the entire Graendal/Rand/Balefire part - 23/09/2010 10:24:46 PM 2801 Views
I had a similar thought, but... - 23/09/2010 10:40:58 PM 2102 Views
Probably not Sanderson - 23/09/2010 11:11:54 PM 2121 Views
No way - 24/09/2010 07:14:35 AM 2022 Views
I agree. *NM* - 25/09/2010 09:42:46 AM 1257 Views
A few nits - 12/10/2010 10:21:27 AM 2036 Views
Canadian Download site - 29/09/2010 12:05:12 AM 2583 Views

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