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Not Aginor Sidious Send a noteboard - 13/09/2009 08:36:37 AM
Page 50: Foremost of the thirteen who formed the high council of the Shadow's forces was Ishamael. Believed to be the most powerful of the Chosen in the use of the One Power, he was equaled by none but Lews Therin Telamon himself.


Which clearly puts Ishamael first.

Page 53: The second most powerful man, ... Aginor, came close to rivaling Lews Therin and Ishamael in strength.


Which puts Aginor right behind Ishamael and Lews Therin.

Page 61: The most powerful of the female Forsaken, possibly the most powerful of all next to Ishamael, was Lanfear.


Which puts Lanfear greater than or equal to Aginor, right behind Lews Therin and Ishamael.

Either Lanfear or Aginor. I'm leaning towards Lanfear, which is how I voted before I even consulted the book. Yay gut instinct!


Aginor is not on RJ's list of the top Forsaken. He may have been one of the strongest, but his skills were less than impressive. It's the global picture that makes the difference, not the person's raw strength. Alivia may be the strongest woman in the Light but Cyndane used skill alone to balance the strength difference, and made it an even match.
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The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Sidious - 12/09/2009 09:27:20 PM 1940 Views
Some thoughts about Semmy Lordling - 12/09/2009 09:59:50 PM 1110 Views
Re: Some thoughts about Semmy Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:33:28 AM 1186 Views
Of course... Digital_Eon - 13/09/2009 08:36:39 AM 979 Views
I've been thinking the same for years Dragonsworn - 12/09/2009 11:25:02 PM 1101 Views
The Big White Book says... Yvves - 12/09/2009 11:46:43 PM 1164 Views
Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:36:37 AM 1163 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:16:13 PM 1069 Views
Re: Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 05:47:14 PM 1112 Views
Fact is, the bwb is untrustworthy Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:54:28 PM 1030 Views
We must either use all the quotes from the BWB or none of them Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:07:46 PM 1067 Views
Or... Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:41:23 PM 1006 Views
Re: Or... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:46:52 AM 989 Views
But, RJ himself said that the BWB was written from the standpoint of a scholar RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:42:59 PM 1056 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 08:17:28 PM 980 Views
It all depends on how you define "powerful" Lanfear - 14/09/2009 02:30:31 AM 1088 Views
I agree 101%. *NM* Yvves - 14/09/2009 03:49:51 AM 539 Views
I think power is much more than raw strength Sidious - 14/09/2009 05:00:10 AM 993 Views
I agree for the most part, but disagree on one thing. Lanfear - 14/09/2009 07:52:10 PM 1159 Views
Re: The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Bulgakov - 12/09/2009 11:48:03 PM 1014 Views
the other reason NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:24:24 PM 937 Views
So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:41:42 PM 951 Views
Graendal could fight Lanfear and win Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:01:57 PM 1519 Views
Graendal herself says... Shannow - 13/09/2009 09:08:46 PM 981 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:48:37 AM 1028 Views
Doesn't Graendal have an Angreal now? Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/09/2009 03:29:10 AM 1062 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:36:53 PM 910 Views
Lanfear was more powerful than Graendal, but Cyndane has less power beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:19:35 PM 969 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Watcher - 13/09/2009 06:05:11 PM 1135 Views
I agree with this Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:15:24 PM 1121 Views
Compulsion=any other deadly weave. Doesn't really change matters beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:23:40 PM 1005 Views
Excellent point *NM* Shannow - 13/09/2009 10:35:08 PM 551 Views
But it did give her an edge, and against two forsaken. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:12:09 PM 517 Views
Hm? When? *NM* beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:04:10 PM 456 Views
tPoD, when she compelled Cyndane and Moghedien. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:19:23 PM 496 Views
Not at all Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:51:48 AM 1053 Views
Using Compulsion on someone doesn't seem mechanically different beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:03:41 PM 900 Views
I'm not so sure about that Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:36:45 PM 985 Views
Totally agree Shannow - 14/09/2009 10:26:07 PM 830 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:33:04 PM 1116 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:34:24 PM 934 Views
But Graendal confronted her... twice! *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 07:48:29 PM 467 Views
Apparently only the third time counts *NM* Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:00:37 PM 515 Views
But the third time's supposed to be lucky. So that won't count either. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:26:18 PM 530 Views
Really? Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:36:33 PM 977 Views
No falsely... fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:25:40 PM 1195 Views
That's pretty much my opinion in a nutshell Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:56:15 AM 1155 Views
And, of course, the male and female OP strength ranks might not even correlate that much RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:41:58 PM 916 Views
They correlate on some critical points Sidious - 14/09/2009 06:57:43 PM 1117 Views
That's not exactly what I'm referring to. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:36:29 PM 875 Views
But then we are discussing the same thing Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:59:04 PM 1004 Views
I think, outside of semantics, our main disagreement doesn't lie amid the higher tiers RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 03:53:09 PM 877 Views
Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 06:31:27 PM 1023 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 07:19:03 PM 990 Views
Re: Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 08:59:31 PM 987 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/09/2009 07:03:09 PM 1312 Views
Ahh the old debate... fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 12:42:36 AM 955 Views
Re: Ahh the old debate... Sidious - 17/09/2009 05:26:52 AM 916 Views
I only disagree on one point, I think they are all rather equal in potential, incl. Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:28:12 PM 1010 Views
I do think Ishamel is special Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:03 PM 1088 Views
He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 11:36:42 PM 1041 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 08:36:20 AM 999 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 03:48:34 PM 989 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 04:39:39 PM 983 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:53:00 PM 973 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:47:45 PM 1014 Views
The more interesting question is... AgentOrange - 14/09/2009 06:34:11 PM 904 Views
Hmmm Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:34 PM 994 Views
I think we'll see Graendal vs. Aran'gar. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:31:16 PM 1028 Views
Ah yes, that makes sense, and would be great! *NM* Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:40:29 PM 857 Views
Yeah. Though I think its no competition. Graendal has got to be better than a walking tree! fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:50:09 PM 905 Views
They do imply that Graendal is a lot more dangerous than she looks beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:08:43 PM 936 Views
I've never underestimated Graendal Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:42:49 PM 983 Views
Yeah... her frivolity was always a red flag for me too. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:18:40 PM 1020 Views
To me, she is the most lethal. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 05:18:10 PM 768 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:39:20 PM 821 Views
I still like Lanfear more Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:51:03 PM 912 Views
Bah! She's an idiot! fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:06:06 PM 925 Views
only in love *NM* Sidious - 15/09/2009 07:23:29 PM 880 Views
Graendal did not beat me and Moghedien Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:59:39 PM 1016 Views
Agreed Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:36:48 PM 903 Views
Ummm... how do we know? fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:40:57 PM 1039 Views
Re: Ummm... how do we know? Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:56:21 PM 942 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:07:45 PM 1139 Views
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