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Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. Sidious Send a noteboard - 09/12/2010 09:40:09 AM
Anyone who "passed" this test to satisfy Rubinde, Lelaine and Barasine may as well openly admit to being a Darkfriend. The damage, in my eyes, would be about the same.

Honestly, any person who will forsake saving sick children just so she could earn the title of Aes Sedai does not deserve to be called "Servant of All". Nyneave was perfectly right when she said she didn't care to be Aes Sedai if it meant leaving children to die. Any organization that demands that of its members may as well be part of the Shadow.

Thankfully, that is not what is demanded even by the super-retarded Aes Sedai. If you read carefully, you will see that Saerin was furious about the test before Nynaeve said anything. Before Nynaeve made her speech, Egwene not only said that Nynaeve handled the channeling component admirably, she also didn't disagree with Nynaeve's logic (only asking her to not ruffle any more feathers today). The only concern Saerin, Seiaine, Yukiri and probably Romanda had was the use of Balefire. And Nynaeve addressed that to all their satisfaction.

But, more critically, this test was necessary for Egwene. Surrounded by people like Nynaeve, Elayne, Siuan, Leanne, Silviana and even Saerin, Seaine and Yukiri, all women who have more or less correct priorities, she had completely lost sight of the fact that the problems the Aes Sedai faced are not only about weak leadership and bad organization. They are also morally bankrupt, as an institution. They've sat too long thinking their mere existence has stopped the Shadow in the past. They rest on the laurels of their betters from the past, and have completely failed the world when they were needed the most. Egwene needed to see why that was. Nynaeve hit the nail on the head when she talked about how the Tower's perspective was alienated from the world's. Egwene needs to change that too, not only how effective the Aes Sedai are as an organization.


Yes, the test was pretty harsh on Nynaeve as Saerin said but also understandable. Nynaeve is the most powerful woman in the history of the Tower which elicited a lot of consequences. It led to jealousy in some, but the Sitter probably really wanted to push her like no other to see if their poster girl was worth her inborn ability. I've often thought that they press women according to their strength, especially because Moiraine was so hard pushed I wondered if Daigian would have survived.

As for Egwene, I hated her in this book. I personally think she was written poorly and that he missed her character completely, but Egwene detractors will say she's become the bitch they've always known she is. She's become identical to Siuan Sanche in TGH which is tragic because I never thought it was her characters destiny i.e to be such a bitch you're not fun to read about.
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Nynaeve's stupidity and the test for Aes Sedai - 07/12/2010 08:27:05 PM 4469 Views
Just like all women. - 07/12/2010 09:15:12 PM 1299 Views
Way to totally misunderstand the chapter - 07/12/2010 09:39:08 PM 1785 Views
I second this - 07/12/2010 10:10:24 PM 1458 Views
your bold is stuck. *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:21:22 PM 625 Views
He BOLDLY seconded it... *NM* - 08/12/2010 03:04:33 PM 597 Views
which is quite excellent. I was just leting him know *NM* - 08/12/2010 03:28:24 PM 504 Views
I think that statement says it all. - 07/12/2010 10:19:50 PM 1489 Views
Thanks. That's exactly what I think. - 08/12/2010 08:29:28 AM 1351 Views
+1, well said *NM* - 08/12/2010 11:19:29 AM 560 Views
Agrees *NM* - 09/12/2010 03:27:53 PM 1067 Views
Yes, the OP totally whiffed here. Nyn couldn't remember.. - 11/12/2010 01:50:11 AM 1315 Views
On the whole, the test is innappropriate IMO - 07/12/2010 09:40:08 PM 1589 Views
I agree with this entirely *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:07:52 PM 555 Views
very well said *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:23:06 PM 498 Views
It's kind of a chicken and egg thing - 07/12/2010 11:13:19 PM 1233 Views
Re: It's kind of a chicken and egg thing - 08/12/2010 12:37:20 AM 1519 Views
nice post - 08/12/2010 09:20:02 AM 1349 Views
Isn't it implied - 08/12/2010 02:16:58 PM 1119 Views
no they were students together - 08/12/2010 05:33:17 PM 1075 Views
No, Lanfear was older than Lews - 08/12/2010 07:21:45 PM 1296 Views
Where on earth did you get that from? - 08/12/2010 08:41:16 PM 1219 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? - 09/12/2010 10:27:20 AM 1240 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? - 09/12/2010 03:56:32 PM 1322 Views
I always got the impression that they were together for quiet some time - 09/12/2010 04:34:23 PM 1250 Views
I think skill with Saidar is easy enough to judge as it's a simple matter to see the skill - 08/12/2010 05:37:27 PM 1144 Views
I think the greens should have been on Nynaeve's side as well - 08/12/2010 06:18:16 PM 1271 Views
Problem is they are Aes Sedai and thus more likley to be political rather than rational! *NM* - 08/12/2010 08:52:00 PM 862 Views
too f'n true *NM* - 09/12/2010 12:17:58 AM 565 Views
Re: nice post - 09/12/2010 01:23:50 PM 1335 Views
On the matter of strength - 09/12/2010 08:51:36 PM 1175 Views
Re: On the matter of strength - 10/12/2010 10:38:42 AM 1162 Views
Strength was "prized" in the AoL ... but lack of strength was not a negative - 12/12/2010 01:41:08 AM 1131 Views
The test is stupid and it was about time someone pointed it out - 07/12/2010 10:29:38 PM 1162 Views
Channeling under duress IS necessary for ALL Aes Sedai - 05/01/2011 12:04:53 AM 1303 Views
Well - 07/12/2010 11:03:38 PM 1221 Views
Status is not an end in itself. *NM* - 07/12/2010 11:52:37 PM 575 Views
They're not really stupid... - 08/12/2010 01:00:20 AM 1261 Views
They're constantly outsmarted by a teenage girl that has spent most of her life in a damn farm. - 08/12/2010 10:32:50 AM 1226 Views
yeah because that's so realistic - 08/12/2010 12:17:29 PM 1168 Views
Egwene had everything handed to her on a silver platter. - 08/12/2010 11:50:17 PM 1130 Views
Bah... - 09/12/2010 10:56:24 AM 1283 Views
Nope, the Sitters were always stupid - 09/12/2010 12:37:05 PM 1221 Views
cause being rural automatically makes you dumb?..... *NM* - 09/12/2010 05:34:11 PM 643 Views
It makes you uneducated - 09/12/2010 05:46:49 PM 1135 Views
You are not only wrong in your call, - 08/12/2010 04:39:44 AM 1479 Views
Re: You are not only wrong in your call, - 08/12/2010 09:13:37 AM 1462 Views
if that is the purpose of the test - 08/12/2010 01:34:45 PM 1168 Views
minor disagreement - 08/12/2010 05:27:51 PM 1243 Views
Yes, but you can be not-panicked and not calm of body - 08/12/2010 06:38:56 PM 1070 Views
not really the same thing as what the AS are getting at though - 08/12/2010 09:02:05 PM 1737 Views
that's retarded, imo - 09/12/2010 12:21:27 AM 1205 Views
About Elaida... - 09/12/2010 12:29:21 PM 1245 Views
...no wonder the Aes Sedai are floundering - 09/12/2010 01:43:42 PM 996 Views
Oh it's totally stupid! - 09/12/2010 04:37:14 PM 1227 Views
No I know why she took the job. I just don't understand why she got it - 09/12/2010 04:52:34 PM 1163 Views
I think Elaida just smarmed up at the right time, Morgase was very young then - 09/12/2010 05:52:29 PM 1263 Views
hmm. curse smarming, then *NM* - 09/12/2010 07:47:26 PM 506 Views
As I recall... - 10/12/2010 05:18:25 AM 1195 Views
Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 08/12/2010 06:48:50 PM 1223 Views
I think it has already been established that the purpose of the test is to ensure that - 08/12/2010 09:59:18 PM 969 Views
Yeah, but how does that work? - 08/12/2010 10:24:35 PM 1104 Views
Somewhere in the sub-conscious they know what they're doing is important to them. - 09/12/2010 12:20:47 AM 1233 Views
Even so, it wouldn't work. - 09/12/2010 03:32:55 AM 1155 Views
Another headless chicken example. - 09/12/2010 12:30:02 AM 1134 Views
the headless chicken is just such a lovely metaphor for panic *NM* - 09/12/2010 04:48:11 AM 509 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 09/12/2010 12:07:15 PM 1213 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 10/12/2010 05:32:27 AM 1297 Views
The main difference - 10/12/2010 05:50:43 AM 1155 Views
I'm not sure I agree. - 08/12/2010 12:17:12 PM 1215 Views
You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" - 09/12/2010 02:59:50 AM 1313 Views
I hate it when I love you just a little *NM* - 09/12/2010 04:46:57 AM 542 Views
Re: You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" - 09/12/2010 09:26:21 AM 1185 Views
That's not the dilema - 09/12/2010 05:23:19 PM 1381 Views
That's not what it's really about - 10/12/2010 05:44:12 AM 1130 Views
The paralells are not obvious to me... - 15/12/2010 11:42:51 AM 1209 Views
More like - 15/12/2010 01:26:40 PM 1118 Views
This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. - 09/12/2010 03:46:31 AM 1146 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. - 09/12/2010 09:40:09 AM 1229 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. - 09/12/2010 11:26:40 AM 1235 Views
Agreed... - 09/12/2010 01:54:09 PM 1186 Views
One of those few times where I completely agree with fionwe1987. Give over Sidious. You're wrong. - 10/12/2010 03:53:25 PM 1228 Views
no, she did not disagree. slight difference - 10/12/2010 05:53:54 PM 1101 Views

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