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Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. DomA Send a noteboard - 09/12/2010 11:26:40 AM
Anyone who "passed" this test to satisfy Rubinde, Lelaine and Barasine may as well openly admit to being a Darkfriend. The damage, in my eyes, would be about the same.

Honestly, any person who will forsake saving sick children just so she could earn the title of Aes Sedai does not deserve to be called "Servant of All".


That's kind of the point.... Aes Sedai call themselves Aes Sedai, not "Servants of All". It's not an innocent distinction... They know the meaning of the name, but by insisting to use the Old Tongue term, they've turned it into a pure honorific/mark of status.

The Tower has turned to the common tongue for near everything it wants the people to understand. Novices have to understand what they are. Sitters are sitters, and the Hall the hall. Other terms, they've given an aura of mystery and power by keeping the OT name alone: Amyrlin, Ajah, Aes Sedai. Barely anyone, especially not the Aes Sedai, think of "servant" when they use the honorific Sedai. A great deal would be different if they'd translate the title and people high and low were calling the sisters "Servant X" or Servant of All. That might have made the AS more humble, for one thing, and become a constant reminder to them and to the people of what they really ought to be.

I agree this test goes completely against what an Aes Sedai used to be. The Accepted spend years preparing for it, and one of the consequences, though I doubt the sisters realize this, is to drive out of the future Aes Sedai all desire to be a servant of All to become a servant of the White Tower. The fact AS are servants of all is virtually kept a secret for initiates, except when the sisters have political reasons to portray themselves as "only serving". Developing a mentality of service is totally discouraged in the current Tower system, it's hardly surprising the standard test reflects this. They see such as inappropriate behaviour in a sister. Today's AS are taught to serve only when it serves the purpose of the WT and won't harm the Tower's aura of power. The average sister sees most services as demeaning for women of her status. For eg: sisters were horrified that objects crafted by their hands could be sold, sisters were angry to be seen in public working on the harbour walls. And so on.... Aes Sedai would be pissed to be forced to work at Travelling Grounds the way Elayne has the Windfinders/Kin do without a fuss. Service an AS will render with the OP is limited pretty much to fighting and healing. Almost everything else is perceived as demeaning.


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Nynaeve's stupidity and the test for Aes Sedai - 07/12/2010 08:27:05 PM 4984 Views
Just like all women. - 07/12/2010 09:15:12 PM 1578 Views
Way to totally misunderstand the chapter - 07/12/2010 09:39:08 PM 2071 Views
I second this - 07/12/2010 10:10:24 PM 1762 Views
your bold is stuck. *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:21:22 PM 770 Views
He BOLDLY seconded it... *NM* - 08/12/2010 03:04:33 PM 737 Views
which is quite excellent. I was just leting him know *NM* - 08/12/2010 03:28:24 PM 644 Views
I think that statement says it all. - 07/12/2010 10:19:50 PM 1728 Views
Thanks. That's exactly what I think. - 08/12/2010 08:29:28 AM 1642 Views
+1, well said *NM* - 08/12/2010 11:19:29 AM 713 Views
Agrees *NM* - 09/12/2010 03:27:53 PM 1327 Views
Yes, the OP totally whiffed here. Nyn couldn't remember.. - 11/12/2010 01:50:11 AM 1592 Views
On the whole, the test is innappropriate IMO - 07/12/2010 09:40:08 PM 1831 Views
I agree with this entirely *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:07:52 PM 701 Views
very well said *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:23:06 PM 634 Views
It's kind of a chicken and egg thing - 07/12/2010 11:13:19 PM 1529 Views
Re: It's kind of a chicken and egg thing - 08/12/2010 12:37:20 AM 1833 Views
nice post - 08/12/2010 09:20:02 AM 1646 Views
Isn't it implied - 08/12/2010 02:16:58 PM 1372 Views
no they were students together - 08/12/2010 05:33:17 PM 1351 Views
No, Lanfear was older than Lews - 08/12/2010 07:21:45 PM 1551 Views
Where on earth did you get that from? - 08/12/2010 08:41:16 PM 1474 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? - 09/12/2010 10:27:20 AM 1515 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? - 09/12/2010 03:56:32 PM 1606 Views
I always got the impression that they were together for quiet some time - 09/12/2010 04:34:23 PM 1536 Views
I think skill with Saidar is easy enough to judge as it's a simple matter to see the skill - 08/12/2010 05:37:27 PM 1419 Views
I think the greens should have been on Nynaeve's side as well - 08/12/2010 06:18:16 PM 1524 Views
Problem is they are Aes Sedai and thus more likley to be political rather than rational! *NM* - 08/12/2010 08:52:00 PM 1012 Views
too f'n true *NM* - 09/12/2010 12:17:58 AM 697 Views
Re: nice post - 09/12/2010 01:23:50 PM 1625 Views
On the matter of strength - 09/12/2010 08:51:36 PM 1433 Views
Re: On the matter of strength - 10/12/2010 10:38:42 AM 1486 Views
Strength was "prized" in the AoL ... but lack of strength was not a negative - 12/12/2010 01:41:08 AM 1399 Views
The test is stupid and it was about time someone pointed it out - 07/12/2010 10:29:38 PM 1421 Views
Channeling under duress IS necessary for ALL Aes Sedai - 05/01/2011 12:04:53 AM 1608 Views
Well - 07/12/2010 11:03:38 PM 1477 Views
Status is not an end in itself. *NM* - 07/12/2010 11:52:37 PM 704 Views
They're not really stupid... - 08/12/2010 01:00:20 AM 1519 Views
They're constantly outsmarted by a teenage girl that has spent most of her life in a damn farm. - 08/12/2010 10:32:50 AM 1476 Views
yeah because that's so realistic - 08/12/2010 12:17:29 PM 1407 Views
Egwene had everything handed to her on a silver platter. - 08/12/2010 11:50:17 PM 1372 Views
Bah... - 09/12/2010 10:56:24 AM 1523 Views
Nope, the Sitters were always stupid - 09/12/2010 12:37:05 PM 1490 Views
cause being rural automatically makes you dumb?..... *NM* - 09/12/2010 05:34:11 PM 797 Views
It makes you uneducated - 09/12/2010 05:46:49 PM 1392 Views
You are not only wrong in your call, - 08/12/2010 04:39:44 AM 1723 Views
Re: You are not only wrong in your call, - 08/12/2010 09:13:37 AM 1741 Views
if that is the purpose of the test - 08/12/2010 01:34:45 PM 1440 Views
minor disagreement - 08/12/2010 05:27:51 PM 1503 Views
Yes, but you can be not-panicked and not calm of body - 08/12/2010 06:38:56 PM 1367 Views
not really the same thing as what the AS are getting at though - 08/12/2010 09:02:05 PM 1983 Views
that's retarded, imo - 09/12/2010 12:21:27 AM 1533 Views
About Elaida... - 09/12/2010 12:29:21 PM 1500 Views
...no wonder the Aes Sedai are floundering - 09/12/2010 01:43:42 PM 1238 Views
Oh it's totally stupid! - 09/12/2010 04:37:14 PM 1479 Views
No I know why she took the job. I just don't understand why she got it - 09/12/2010 04:52:34 PM 1399 Views
I think Elaida just smarmed up at the right time, Morgase was very young then - 09/12/2010 05:52:29 PM 1527 Views
hmm. curse smarming, then *NM* - 09/12/2010 07:47:26 PM 630 Views
As I recall... - 10/12/2010 05:18:25 AM 1431 Views
Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 08/12/2010 06:48:50 PM 1478 Views
I think it has already been established that the purpose of the test is to ensure that - 08/12/2010 09:59:18 PM 1226 Views
Yeah, but how does that work? - 08/12/2010 10:24:35 PM 1375 Views
Somewhere in the sub-conscious they know what they're doing is important to them. - 09/12/2010 12:20:47 AM 1480 Views
Even so, it wouldn't work. - 09/12/2010 03:32:55 AM 1407 Views
Another headless chicken example. - 09/12/2010 12:30:02 AM 1382 Views
the headless chicken is just such a lovely metaphor for panic *NM* - 09/12/2010 04:48:11 AM 651 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 09/12/2010 12:07:15 PM 1448 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 10/12/2010 05:32:27 AM 1555 Views
The main difference - 10/12/2010 05:50:43 AM 1422 Views
I'm not sure I agree. - 08/12/2010 12:17:12 PM 1498 Views
You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" - 09/12/2010 02:59:50 AM 1574 Views
I hate it when I love you just a little *NM* - 09/12/2010 04:46:57 AM 669 Views
Re: You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" - 09/12/2010 09:26:21 AM 1453 Views
That's not the dilema - 09/12/2010 05:23:19 PM 1643 Views
That's not what it's really about - 10/12/2010 05:44:12 AM 1366 Views
The paralells are not obvious to me... - 15/12/2010 11:42:51 AM 1456 Views
More like - 15/12/2010 01:26:40 PM 1371 Views
This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. - 09/12/2010 03:46:31 AM 1434 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. - 09/12/2010 11:26:40 AM 1505 Views
Agreed... - 09/12/2010 01:54:09 PM 1452 Views
One of those few times where I completely agree with fionwe1987. Give over Sidious. You're wrong. - 10/12/2010 03:53:25 PM 1542 Views
no, she did not disagree. slight difference - 10/12/2010 05:53:54 PM 1370 Views

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