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You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM
And then every time I've asked you to do so, you've redefined the remnant of a remnant instead. When I try to explain that you're redefining the remnant of a remnant instead of the Aiel, you insist that you're redefining the Aiel.

In fact I said the opposite. There are people like the Tuatha'an that are inclusive of the original Aiel population and those who ran away from Hold and Clan that have moved around to a variety of places. These people are not included in Aviendha's vision and could very well be who the remnant is in reference. You cannot make a blanket statement that Aviendha's vision is untrue because the remnant doesn't survive when we have no way of knowing what happened to a portion of the Aiel population.


I didn't say the REMNANT didn't survive, I've said that THE REST OF THE AIEL DO.

Take ten apples. These are the Aiel.

Take one out of those ten apples. This is the remnant of a remnant, who will be saved and who will live.

Nine apples remain. These are the Aiel who are unsaved and who will not live.

In Aviendha's vision, those nine apples show up fine, in complete defiance of the prophecy.
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 2012 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1383 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 1035 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 988 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 1001 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 910 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 1000 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1200 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 479 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 1047 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1279 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 979 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 950 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 901 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 1054 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 944 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1195 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 897 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 863 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 799 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 902 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 970 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 905 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 1019 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 985 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 1011 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 801 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 730 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 941 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 795 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 938 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 829 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 849 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 1029 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 798 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 817 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 891 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 872 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 831 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 813 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 980 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 865 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 931 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 953 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 811 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 920 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 808 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 1014 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 761 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 804 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 802 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 934 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 715 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 986 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 1032 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 925 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 460 Views
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