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Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM
Let's start at the beginning again, then.

As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Prophecies of confirmed accuracy tell us that the Aiel will be reduced to a remnant of a remnant by Rand, but Aviendha's vision has at its core problem that the Aiel are too plentiful and powerful, and therefore got bored.


You are making an assumption that the remnant are somehow the only survivors of TG when in fact the Prophesy says 2 things:

1. He will break them
2. He will Save a remnant of a remnant

The second statement is an active not a passive statement. It does not say "a remnant of a remnant will survive being broken"

This could as easily be interprete as Rand overtly choosing a group of Aiel as "saved ones" ... Perhaps he will effect some treaty or law that allows those who return to their true heritage to live in peace someplace and the rest choose to go their own way and become bored etc...
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 2115 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1481 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 1132 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 1087 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 1086 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 1016 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 1100 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1336 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 526 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 1159 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1400 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 1071 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 1065 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 1000 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 1162 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 1032 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1323 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 1019 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 948 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 889 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 994 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 1092 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 1028 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 1124 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 1113 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 1122 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 901 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 814 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 1029 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 905 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 1060 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 932 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 936 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 1122 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 895 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 916 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 965 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 982 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 937 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 913 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 1076 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 974 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 1032 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 1057 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 901 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 998 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 944 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 1139 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 870 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 913 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 868 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 1024 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 814 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 1114 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 1136 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 1031 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 504 Views
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