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Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM
Let's start at the beginning again, then.

As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Prophecies of confirmed accuracy tell us that the Aiel will be reduced to a remnant of a remnant by Rand, but Aviendha's vision has at its core problem that the Aiel are too plentiful and powerful, and therefore got bored.


You are making an assumption that the remnant are somehow the only survivors of TG when in fact the Prophesy says 2 things:

1. He will break them
2. He will Save a remnant of a remnant

The second statement is an active not a passive statement. It does not say "a remnant of a remnant will survive being broken"

This could as easily be interprete as Rand overtly choosing a group of Aiel as "saved ones" ... Perhaps he will effect some treaty or law that allows those who return to their true heritage to live in peace someplace and the rest choose to go their own way and become bored etc...
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 1993 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1354 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 1015 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 966 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 980 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 890 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 979 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1151 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 469 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 1025 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1260 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 961 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 931 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 884 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 1034 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 925 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1175 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 878 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 847 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 783 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 875 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 946 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 889 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 998 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 964 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 991 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 783 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 713 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 921 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 776 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 922 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 812 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 828 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 1005 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 776 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 799 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 873 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 853 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 814 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 792 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 963 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 843 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 909 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 934 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 794 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 901 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 788 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 991 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 746 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 784 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 781 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 914 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 696 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 961 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 1013 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 905 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 448 Views
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