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Part of me keeps screaming Logain, though that can't be right... Cannoli Send a noteboard - 20/09/2012 12:14:00 PM
There must be some signifigance to this. Can we get any clues as to what their relationship may be? Has Demandred been involved at the Black Tower to some extent? Was he involved in giving Taim some training at some point (though this seems unlikely given the extremely comptetitive nature of these people)? Or have they only met because Demandred at some point popped in to give Taim an order or assess what was going on at the Black Tower?

I believe he was one of those who gave orders to the renegade Asha'man - that was supposed to be the first hard and fast clue that he was not, in fact, Taim. On the other hand, he didn't recognize Flinn at the Cleansing, which means he wasn't one of the pre-Dumai's Wells Asha'man.

The fact that Demandred has developed a personal grudge against Rand recently makes me think of what a douche Logain was in KoD, but there's too much else that doesn't fit.

I kept waiting for Demandred to be revealed as was hinted would happen in the Prologue. But it didn't happen :(


What has Rand done lately to piss someone off? Bearing in mind that with the way Sanderson twisted the chronology until it screamed in the last two books, we have no way of knowing where this portion fits in relation to events in the normal world. He could just be mad about Rand smoking out the Darkfriends in Tear or saving Ituralde & co in Saldaea, or maybe has just mad about Rand's apotheosis. I can't help but think this is going to be one of three results:
- "That doesn't make any sense! If that was Demandred than how/why... "
- "How the hell did we miss that?"
- Or something totally out of left field that we were given no knowledge of. I'm hoping maybe Seleisin is involved.
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
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AMOL Prologue : Analysis of Forsaken section *major spoilers* Sidious - 19/09/2012 05:47:21 PM 3588 Views
You left out that Taim and Demandred have met before. Narg - 19/09/2012 06:19:01 PM 1798 Views
Part of me keeps screaming Logain, though that can't be right... Cannoli - 20/09/2012 12:14:00 PM 1743 Views
I thought of Logain as well... Narg - 20/09/2012 06:10:58 PM 1603 Views
We have our answer as to why Cyndane and Moiraine are reduced in power. Nargs - 20/09/2012 05:14:01 AM 1732 Views
It was spelled out before. Terez - 20/09/2012 05:25:05 AM 1535 Views
And some of us guessed that's what happened, we just didn't have evidence. *NM* Cannoli - 20/09/2012 12:04:18 PM 881 Views
Nor a lot of support for the idea... DomA - 22/09/2012 06:28:14 PM 1547 Views
Really? Seemed like the obvious series of events darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 02:32:35 PM 1502 Views
I know... DomA - 23/09/2012 05:30:42 PM 1581 Views
I'm not so sure Sidious - 24/09/2012 05:32:50 PM 1551 Views
Why question it? darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 01:40:39 AM 1370 Views
Re: Why question it? Sidious - 25/09/2012 06:12:32 AM 1386 Views
No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 04:10:04 PM 1623 Views
Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks Sidious - 25/09/2012 06:41:13 PM 1557 Views
Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks DomA - 25/09/2012 07:21:03 PM 1516 Views
Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks Sidious - 25/09/2012 07:53:47 PM 1326 Views
Six Chosen... entyti - 20/09/2012 05:19:17 AM 1712 Views
It's fan fiction, but it's cannon fan fiction The Wandering Gambler - 20/09/2012 06:55:18 AM 1766 Views
Demandred - the wasted Forsaken Tom - 20/09/2012 08:14:15 PM 1666 Views
RJ's writing was bad. Sanderson's is far worse. *NM* Marshall - 21/09/2012 06:19:04 AM 884 Views
Re: Demandred - the wasted Forsaken DomA - 22/09/2012 07:23:19 PM 1505 Views
Talmanes DomA - 23/09/2012 12:42:27 AM 1911 Views
I think you once again overestimate my appreciation of the series. Tom - 25/09/2012 02:33:34 PM 1453 Views
Re: Talmanes echooff - 02/10/2012 03:27:05 PM 1320 Views
I'm disappointed after waiting a week for a new post in the Forsaken thread, it's about Talmanes! Shannow - 02/10/2012 09:46:48 PM 1500 Views
Two interesting Forsaken issues you haven't raised DomA - 22/09/2012 06:21:34 PM 1742 Views
Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 02:53:32 AM 1539 Views
Re: Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand DomA - 23/09/2012 05:50:48 PM 1537 Views
I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 06:35:19 PM 1500 Views
Re: I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring DomA - 23/09/2012 07:46:59 PM 1659 Views
The first time we hear about Transmigration is in LOC darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 08:50:10 PM 1632 Views
Why was Ishamael reinstantiated as Nae'blis after his death? Marshall - 02/10/2012 10:17:03 PM 1523 Views
I have to wonder at Hessalam darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 01:20:13 PM 1809 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam DomA - 23/09/2012 06:52:10 PM 1781 Views
I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 07:17:15 PM 1448 Views
Re: I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM DomA - 23/09/2012 08:19:02 PM 1459 Views
EDIT ... Demandred has only had about 9 months (according to wotchron) darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 09:13:44 PM 1561 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam Sidious - 24/09/2012 05:18:29 PM 1897 Views
I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 03:22:56 AM 1386 Views
Re: I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! Sidious - 25/09/2012 06:13:51 AM 1484 Views
So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? Shara or Isle of Madmen back on the table? Shannow - 23/09/2012 08:01:03 PM 1516 Views
Re: So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? DomA - 23/09/2012 08:52:48 PM 1595 Views
Interesting... Shannow - 23/09/2012 09:06:18 PM 1391 Views
Re: Interesting... DomA - 23/09/2012 11:31:31 PM 1649 Views
I think we saw them during the attack on Maradon. The Portal Stone attack seems less likely darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 11:41:42 PM 1392 Views
Just one comment.. Shannow - 23/09/2012 11:53:09 PM 2101 Views
If I had to take a guess right now I'd say he has been setting up various Shadow armies thought the darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 09:30:34 PM 1423 Views
I think at the very least he has recreated the One-and-Eighty male channelers from the AOL... Shannow - 23/09/2012 09:34:56 PM 1510 Views
As I said he will almost certainly have Channelers darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 09:47:53 PM 1695 Views
All he needed to do was train 10 guys personally.. Shannow - 23/09/2012 09:51:46 PM 1355 Views
It took Taim nearly a year to train a dozen men to a place where they could teach darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:00:40 PM 1313 Views
The world is 25,000 miles by 25,000 miles in size... Shannow - 23/09/2012 10:15:22 PM 1426 Views
That is just far fetched ... I think I would laugh out loud if that is the case darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:43:37 PM 1410 Views
Direct quote from Demandred refutes this... Shannow - 23/09/2012 10:49:10 PM 1432 Views
Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:55:00 PM 1400 Views
Re: Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways Shannow - 23/09/2012 11:36:54 PM 1453 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 24/09/2012 12:31:48 AM 1474 Views
"My rule is secure." Could Demandred be ruling an entire Mirror World? Shannow - 23/09/2012 10:43:51 PM 1513 Views
I can certainly something like this happening darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:50:35 PM 1285 Views
I'm not sure it's possible... DomA - 24/09/2012 03:02:26 AM 1445 Views
I think ... Sidious - 24/09/2012 05:36:38 PM 1391 Views
The changes in Moghedien darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 03:29:15 AM 1294 Views
I believe she commented on Graendal's strength, comparing it to Nynaeve or something? Shannow - 25/09/2012 11:07:24 PM 1430 Views
Well.. fionwe1987 - 25/09/2012 11:15:21 PM 1331 Views
Thanks for the quote, but reading that, it kind of implies the opposite, to me... Shannow - 25/09/2012 11:35:53 PM 1616 Views
Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2012 12:00:33 AM 1370 Views
Hehe, that old argument again. Shannow - 26/09/2012 12:09:25 AM 1283 Views
Yes. fionwe1987 - 26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM 1279 Views
I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 04:11:16 AM 1432 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength Sidious - 26/09/2012 08:53:02 AM 1309 Views
Well... Shannow - 26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM 1271 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 26/09/2012 10:17:03 AM 1411 Views
Nice speculation. I like that type of calculation. Shannow - 26/09/2012 10:59:43 AM 1382 Views
Moiraine lost more than 2/3 of her strength. Siuan lost about that and Moiraine seems darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 04:46:18 PM 1518 Views
Re: Well... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 03:12:06 AM 1319 Views
Re: Well... Shannow - 27/09/2012 08:17:07 AM 1281 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 03:00:04 AM 1347 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength Sidious - 27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM 1353 Views
As always you forget book 4 is more than half way through the timeline of the series darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 03:58:22 AM 1464 Views
Actually...... DomA - 26/09/2012 02:30:00 AM 1429 Views
Agree with this.. Shannow - 26/09/2012 06:12:34 AM 1206 Views
Not sure that's completely true.. fionwe1987 - 26/09/2012 06:42:51 AM 1286 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. DomA - 26/09/2012 03:02:41 PM 1449 Views
This is what I've been saying for years! darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 05:48:01 PM 1151 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 03:17:00 AM 1323 Views
Probably something like this Sidious - 26/09/2012 08:36:40 AM 1382 Views
Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... Shannow - 26/09/2012 08:56:32 AM 1321 Views
Re: Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... Sidious - 26/09/2012 10:01:08 AM 1236 Views
Graendal almost has to be Stronger than Nynaeve darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 05:57:35 PM 1467 Views
One thing about that... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 02:58:56 AM 1358 Views
Possible, but I find it unlikely darius_sedai - 27/09/2012 06:16:56 AM 1268 Views
The reason I think that... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 06:25:48 AM 1327 Views
I always assumed Nynaeve at the top was a list he later revised as he decided to bring in darius_sedai - 27/09/2012 06:39:35 AM 1388 Views
Of course that's the correct answer, yes. Shannow - 27/09/2012 08:12:45 AM 1436 Views
I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 03:45:36 AM 1316 Views
Re: I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice kHz1000 - 26/09/2012 05:30:36 PM 1447 Views
That is the question I was getting at darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 06:00:03 PM 1364 Views
Re: That is the question I was getting at kHz1000 - 26/09/2012 07:01:34 PM 1400 Views
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