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Thanks for the quote, but reading that, it kind of implies the opposite, to me... Shannow Send a noteboard - 25/09/2012 11:35:53 PM
Can you elaborate a bit further on Moghedien's comments on Hesalem's strength in the Power. I read somewhere else that she compared it to Nynaeve's, giving rise to comments that Nynaeve and Graendal might be on the same strength level.

Is there any reason to make such conclusions from the information provided in this scene, or any other strength conclusions for that matter?

When she feels Hessalam's strength, she is surprised that her agents didn't pick her out among the AS. She says they picked out Nynaeve right away, so why not her? The impression I got was that Moghedien thinks of Nynaeve and Hessalam were of the same strength.

Which, frankly, supports Brandon's previous statements about Nynaeve's strength. Likely, Graendal, Semirhage and Nynaeve are all at the same level.


Thanks for providing Moghedien's actual comment on Hessalem's strength.

The way it reads, based on your quote, seems to imply to me that Graendal is saying that she is suprised that someone of Graendal's strength was not picked up by her agents, given that they picked up Nynaeve so quickly.

Meaning that if Nynaeve was discovered, then someone even stronger than Nynaeve should have been discovered even sooner.

Anyway, that's how it reads to me. But I don't have the exact quote and context in front of me, so I guess it can be interpreted to suit whichever viewpoint one holds on their comparative strengths, other than one which holds Nynaeve to be stronger than Graendal, which we know is not the case anyway.

Any more on Moghedien's reference to Taim's strength? Howcome she knows how strong he is? She can't sense male strength. So who would have told her he is fairly strong?

Also, she doesn't seem to think that he is as strong as the stronger male Forsaken. Merely that he might be as strong as "them", which includes herself, the weakest of the Forsaken by some margin.
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You left out that Taim and Demandred have met before. Narg - 19/09/2012 06:19:01 PM 1581 Views
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It was spelled out before. Terez - 20/09/2012 05:25:05 AM 1328 Views
And some of us guessed that's what happened, we just didn't have evidence. *NM* Cannoli - 20/09/2012 12:04:18 PM 779 Views
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I know... DomA - 23/09/2012 05:30:42 PM 1342 Views
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Why question it? darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 01:40:39 AM 1180 Views
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No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 04:10:04 PM 1393 Views
Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks Sidious - 25/09/2012 06:41:13 PM 1348 Views
Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks DomA - 25/09/2012 07:21:03 PM 1311 Views
Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks Sidious - 25/09/2012 07:53:47 PM 1092 Views
Six Chosen... entyti - 20/09/2012 05:19:17 AM 1508 Views
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RJ's writing was bad. Sanderson's is far worse. *NM* Marshall - 21/09/2012 06:19:04 AM 773 Views
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I think you once again overestimate my appreciation of the series. Tom - 25/09/2012 02:33:34 PM 1252 Views
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I'm disappointed after waiting a week for a new post in the Forsaken thread, it's about Talmanes! Shannow - 02/10/2012 09:46:48 PM 1294 Views
Two interesting Forsaken issues you haven't raised DomA - 22/09/2012 06:21:34 PM 1517 Views
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Re: Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand DomA - 23/09/2012 05:50:48 PM 1326 Views
I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 06:35:19 PM 1257 Views
Re: I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring DomA - 23/09/2012 07:46:59 PM 1453 Views
The first time we hear about Transmigration is in LOC darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 08:50:10 PM 1436 Views
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I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 07:17:15 PM 1227 Views
Re: I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM DomA - 23/09/2012 08:19:02 PM 1236 Views
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Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam Sidious - 24/09/2012 05:18:29 PM 1688 Views
I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 03:22:56 AM 1176 Views
Re: I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! Sidious - 25/09/2012 06:13:51 AM 1230 Views
So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? Shara or Isle of Madmen back on the table? Shannow - 23/09/2012 08:01:03 PM 1308 Views
Re: So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? DomA - 23/09/2012 08:52:48 PM 1392 Views
Interesting... Shannow - 23/09/2012 09:06:18 PM 1190 Views
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I think we saw them during the attack on Maradon. The Portal Stone attack seems less likely darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 11:41:42 PM 1184 Views
Just one comment.. Shannow - 23/09/2012 11:53:09 PM 1896 Views
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I think at the very least he has recreated the One-and-Eighty male channelers from the AOL... Shannow - 23/09/2012 09:34:56 PM 1312 Views
As I said he will almost certainly have Channelers darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 09:47:53 PM 1481 Views
All he needed to do was train 10 guys personally.. Shannow - 23/09/2012 09:51:46 PM 1116 Views
It took Taim nearly a year to train a dozen men to a place where they could teach darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:00:40 PM 1118 Views
The world is 25,000 miles by 25,000 miles in size... Shannow - 23/09/2012 10:15:22 PM 1210 Views
That is just far fetched ... I think I would laugh out loud if that is the case darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:43:37 PM 1228 Views
Direct quote from Demandred refutes this... Shannow - 23/09/2012 10:49:10 PM 1199 Views
Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:55:00 PM 1191 Views
Re: Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways Shannow - 23/09/2012 11:36:54 PM 1244 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 24/09/2012 12:31:48 AM 1265 Views
"My rule is secure." Could Demandred be ruling an entire Mirror World? Shannow - 23/09/2012 10:43:51 PM 1295 Views
I can certainly something like this happening darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:50:35 PM 1094 Views
I'm not sure it's possible... DomA - 24/09/2012 03:02:26 AM 1258 Views
I think ... Sidious - 24/09/2012 05:36:38 PM 1198 Views
The changes in Moghedien darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 03:29:15 AM 1078 Views
I believe she commented on Graendal's strength, comparing it to Nynaeve or something? Shannow - 25/09/2012 11:07:24 PM 1224 Views
Well.. fionwe1987 - 25/09/2012 11:15:21 PM 1097 Views
Thanks for the quote, but reading that, it kind of implies the opposite, to me... Shannow - 25/09/2012 11:35:53 PM 1407 Views
Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2012 12:00:33 AM 1142 Views
Hehe, that old argument again. Shannow - 26/09/2012 12:09:25 AM 1067 Views
Yes. fionwe1987 - 26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM 1039 Views
I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 04:11:16 AM 1182 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength Sidious - 26/09/2012 08:53:02 AM 1103 Views
Well... Shannow - 26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM 1060 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 26/09/2012 10:17:03 AM 1211 Views
Nice speculation. I like that type of calculation. Shannow - 26/09/2012 10:59:43 AM 1167 Views
Moiraine lost more than 2/3 of her strength. Siuan lost about that and Moiraine seems darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 04:46:18 PM 1280 Views
Re: Well... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 03:12:06 AM 1088 Views
Re: Well... Shannow - 27/09/2012 08:17:07 AM 1054 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 03:00:04 AM 1135 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength Sidious - 27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM 1136 Views
As always you forget book 4 is more than half way through the timeline of the series darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 03:58:22 AM 1202 Views
Actually...... DomA - 26/09/2012 02:30:00 AM 1219 Views
Agree with this.. Shannow - 26/09/2012 06:12:34 AM 1009 Views
Not sure that's completely true.. fionwe1987 - 26/09/2012 06:42:51 AM 1063 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. DomA - 26/09/2012 03:02:41 PM 1234 Views
This is what I've been saying for years! darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 05:48:01 PM 934 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 03:17:00 AM 1117 Views
Probably something like this Sidious - 26/09/2012 08:36:40 AM 1173 Views
Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... Shannow - 26/09/2012 08:56:32 AM 1108 Views
Re: Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... Sidious - 26/09/2012 10:01:08 AM 1038 Views
Graendal almost has to be Stronger than Nynaeve darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 05:57:35 PM 1273 Views
One thing about that... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 02:58:56 AM 1146 Views
Possible, but I find it unlikely darius_sedai - 27/09/2012 06:16:56 AM 1055 Views
The reason I think that... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 06:25:48 AM 1130 Views
I always assumed Nynaeve at the top was a list he later revised as he decided to bring in darius_sedai - 27/09/2012 06:39:35 AM 1183 Views
Of course that's the correct answer, yes. Shannow - 27/09/2012 08:12:45 AM 1236 Views
I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 03:45:36 AM 1127 Views
Re: I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice kHz1000 - 26/09/2012 05:30:36 PM 1250 Views
That is the question I was getting at darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 06:00:03 PM 1174 Views
Re: That is the question I was getting at kHz1000 - 26/09/2012 07:01:34 PM 1210 Views
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