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Well... Shannow Send a noteboard - 26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM
And Nynaeve is obviously right there with any of them. Lanfear is obviously abnormal in her raw strength, but that does automatically mean that every time a female senses another's strength they must compare to Lanfears level. Graendal notes Cyndane is stronger than she is, and comments on how rare that is, but she doesn't worry about it all that much which tells us Cyndane is not that much more powerful, and her assumed lack of skill (from Graendal's POV assuming Cyndane is a modern day Channeler). Per Sanderson Nynaeve is similar to Semirhage, who Graendal thinks was more dangerous than Demandred. That alone tells me Nynaeve's Stength would make any of the Forsaken consider her a potential threat just as Moghedien did.


I think the difference in power between all the Forsaken (except Moghedien) is less than 10%. Moghedien is probably significantly weaker. But I think any Forsakn could challenge another openly and the outcome would be unpredictable. That is why Graendal/Sammael is difficult for Moridin to predict.


We are expressly told that Moghedien stood no chance against Lanfear.

We are expressly told that Cyndane has enough of a strength advantage over Graendal that she immediately notices it. This when Aes Sedai often can't tell who is the stronger channeler if two channelers are very close in strength, other than both channeling as much as they can to measure the difference.

We are also told by Graendal that Cyndane is "MUCH" stronger than Moghedien: "Where did the Spider find someone so MUCH stronger than her?"

We are also told that Lanfear is sufficiently stronger than Cyndane that the other Forsaken can clearly sense this difference at first glance.

To me, the important thing to remember is that unless you can effortlessly shield another channeler, any encounter will be dangerous, even if you are significantly stronger. Because weak balefire will kill as easily as strong balefire. And someone who is very fast and skilled with Compulsion can probably strike you much more quickly than your more powerful lightning bolt can, even if you exceed their strength significantly.

We have formed a good idea that you probably need to be between 50% and 70% stronger than someone to shield them relatively effortlessly if they are already holding the source. No one claims that Lanfear exceeds Moghedien by that margin.

But a situation of Moghedien at 65 and Lanfear at 95-99 is very possible, especially as we are told Moghedien had no hope of ever matching Lanfear in battle.

Moghedien is an extreme outlier, but given the 50% strength advantage rule for shielding other channelers if they're holding the source, a battle between Lanfear at 95 and Graendal at 85 would be very dangerous, especially if Graendal can strike faster with her speciality Compulsion weave than Lanfear can with her 15% more powerful general weaves.




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Well.. - 25/09/2012 11:15:21 PM 976 Views
Thanks for the quote, but reading that, it kind of implies the opposite, to me... - 25/09/2012 11:35:53 PM 1295 Views
Hmmm.... - 26/09/2012 12:00:33 AM 1034 Views
Hehe, that old argument again. - 26/09/2012 12:09:25 AM 927 Views
Yes. - 26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM 920 Views
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Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 26/09/2012 08:53:02 AM 978 Views
Well... - 26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM 947 Views
Re: Well... - 26/09/2012 10:17:03 AM 1080 Views
Nice speculation. I like that type of calculation. - 26/09/2012 10:59:43 AM 1013 Views
Re: Well... - 27/09/2012 03:12:06 AM 968 Views
Re: Well... - 27/09/2012 08:17:07 AM 930 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 27/09/2012 03:00:04 AM 1023 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM 1015 Views
Actually...... - 26/09/2012 02:30:00 AM 1082 Views
Agree with this.. - 26/09/2012 06:12:34 AM 898 Views
Not sure that's completely true.. - 26/09/2012 06:42:51 AM 948 Views
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Re: Not sure that's completely true.. - 27/09/2012 03:17:00 AM 1002 Views
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Re: Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... - 26/09/2012 10:01:08 AM 905 Views
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One thing about that... - 27/09/2012 02:58:56 AM 1047 Views
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Re: I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice - 26/09/2012 05:30:36 PM 1100 Views
That is the question I was getting at - 26/09/2012 06:00:03 PM 1060 Views
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