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Re: That is the question I was getting at kHz1000 Send a noteboard - 26/09/2012 07:01:34 PM
Can you elaborate a bit further on Moghedien's comments on Hesalem's strength in the Power. I read somewhere else that she compared it to Nynaeve's, giving rise to comments that Nynaeve and Graendal might be on the same strength level.

Is there any reason to make such conclusions from the information provided in this scene, or any other strength conclusions for that matter?

Moghedien suddenly seems far more bold. The fact that she is openly challenging a more powerful foe etc...

Did we finally see how the Cleansing changed her? IIRC she thought that if she survived it she'd never be afraid of anything.

Still, I doubt Moggy would have been nearly as bold with the actual Graendal. Hessalam, otoh, seems pathetic. Graendals's looks were everything to her and as Hessalam, she must absolutely loath, well, herself. Moggy finds that hilarious and that makes her bold. And uncharacteristically careless.

I think we are going to see the post-Cleansing Moghedien :)

Yes. I had high hopes for Moggy after the Cleansing but I'd already given up on those since nothing implied she'd changed. She's my favourite Forsaken and one of my favourite characters.
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AMOL Prologue : Analysis of Forsaken section *major spoilers* Sidious - 19/09/2012 05:47:21 PM 3454 Views
You left out that Taim and Demandred have met before. Narg - 19/09/2012 06:19:01 PM 1680 Views
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It was spelled out before. Terez - 20/09/2012 05:25:05 AM 1427 Views
And some of us guessed that's what happened, we just didn't have evidence. *NM* Cannoli - 20/09/2012 12:04:18 PM 824 Views
Nor a lot of support for the idea... DomA - 22/09/2012 06:28:14 PM 1433 Views
Really? Seemed like the obvious series of events darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 02:32:35 PM 1378 Views
I know... DomA - 23/09/2012 05:30:42 PM 1444 Views
I'm not so sure Sidious - 24/09/2012 05:32:50 PM 1417 Views
Why question it? darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 01:40:39 AM 1264 Views
Re: Why question it? Sidious - 25/09/2012 06:12:32 AM 1266 Views
No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 04:10:04 PM 1496 Views
Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks Sidious - 25/09/2012 06:41:13 PM 1428 Views
Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks DomA - 25/09/2012 07:21:03 PM 1411 Views
Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks Sidious - 25/09/2012 07:53:47 PM 1187 Views
Six Chosen... entyti - 20/09/2012 05:19:17 AM 1595 Views
It's fan fiction, but it's cannon fan fiction The Wandering Gambler - 20/09/2012 06:55:18 AM 1639 Views
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RJ's writing was bad. Sanderson's is far worse. *NM* Marshall - 21/09/2012 06:19:04 AM 818 Views
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I think you once again overestimate my appreciation of the series. Tom - 25/09/2012 02:33:34 PM 1346 Views
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I'm disappointed after waiting a week for a new post in the Forsaken thread, it's about Talmanes! Shannow - 02/10/2012 09:46:48 PM 1388 Views
Two interesting Forsaken issues you haven't raised DomA - 22/09/2012 06:21:34 PM 1617 Views
Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 02:53:32 AM 1425 Views
Re: Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand DomA - 23/09/2012 05:50:48 PM 1417 Views
I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 06:35:19 PM 1371 Views
Re: I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring DomA - 23/09/2012 07:46:59 PM 1537 Views
The first time we hear about Transmigration is in LOC darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 08:50:10 PM 1519 Views
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I have to wonder at Hessalam darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 01:20:13 PM 1582 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam DomA - 23/09/2012 06:52:10 PM 1665 Views
I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 07:17:15 PM 1321 Views
Re: I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM DomA - 23/09/2012 08:19:02 PM 1321 Views
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Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam Sidious - 24/09/2012 05:18:29 PM 1779 Views
I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 03:22:56 AM 1262 Views
Re: I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! Sidious - 25/09/2012 06:13:51 AM 1330 Views
So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? Shara or Isle of Madmen back on the table? Shannow - 23/09/2012 08:01:03 PM 1399 Views
Re: So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? DomA - 23/09/2012 08:52:48 PM 1479 Views
Interesting... Shannow - 23/09/2012 09:06:18 PM 1274 Views
Re: Interesting... DomA - 23/09/2012 11:31:31 PM 1523 Views
I think we saw them during the attack on Maradon. The Portal Stone attack seems less likely darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 11:41:42 PM 1280 Views
Just one comment.. Shannow - 23/09/2012 11:53:09 PM 1985 Views
If I had to take a guess right now I'd say he has been setting up various Shadow armies thought the darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 09:30:34 PM 1311 Views
I think at the very least he has recreated the One-and-Eighty male channelers from the AOL... Shannow - 23/09/2012 09:34:56 PM 1388 Views
As I said he will almost certainly have Channelers darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 09:47:53 PM 1591 Views
All he needed to do was train 10 guys personally.. Shannow - 23/09/2012 09:51:46 PM 1215 Views
It took Taim nearly a year to train a dozen men to a place where they could teach darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:00:40 PM 1193 Views
The world is 25,000 miles by 25,000 miles in size... Shannow - 23/09/2012 10:15:22 PM 1301 Views
That is just far fetched ... I think I would laugh out loud if that is the case darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:43:37 PM 1309 Views
Direct quote from Demandred refutes this... Shannow - 23/09/2012 10:49:10 PM 1303 Views
Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:55:00 PM 1276 Views
Re: Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways Shannow - 23/09/2012 11:36:54 PM 1334 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 24/09/2012 12:31:48 AM 1348 Views
"My rule is secure." Could Demandred be ruling an entire Mirror World? Shannow - 23/09/2012 10:43:51 PM 1381 Views
I can certainly something like this happening darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:50:35 PM 1185 Views
I'm not sure it's possible... DomA - 24/09/2012 03:02:26 AM 1343 Views
I think ... Sidious - 24/09/2012 05:36:38 PM 1283 Views
The changes in Moghedien darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 03:29:15 AM 1163 Views
I believe she commented on Graendal's strength, comparing it to Nynaeve or something? Shannow - 25/09/2012 11:07:24 PM 1316 Views
Well.. fionwe1987 - 25/09/2012 11:15:21 PM 1199 Views
Thanks for the quote, but reading that, it kind of implies the opposite, to me... Shannow - 25/09/2012 11:35:53 PM 1501 Views
Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2012 12:00:33 AM 1237 Views
Hehe, that old argument again. Shannow - 26/09/2012 12:09:25 AM 1162 Views
Yes. fionwe1987 - 26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM 1130 Views
I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 04:11:16 AM 1298 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength Sidious - 26/09/2012 08:53:02 AM 1187 Views
Well... Shannow - 26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM 1145 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 26/09/2012 10:17:03 AM 1297 Views
Nice speculation. I like that type of calculation. Shannow - 26/09/2012 10:59:43 AM 1252 Views
Moiraine lost more than 2/3 of her strength. Siuan lost about that and Moiraine seems darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 04:46:18 PM 1376 Views
Re: Well... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 03:12:06 AM 1193 Views
Re: Well... Shannow - 27/09/2012 08:17:07 AM 1147 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 03:00:04 AM 1215 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength Sidious - 27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM 1222 Views
As always you forget book 4 is more than half way through the timeline of the series darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 03:58:22 AM 1313 Views
Actually...... DomA - 26/09/2012 02:30:00 AM 1303 Views
Agree with this.. Shannow - 26/09/2012 06:12:34 AM 1098 Views
Not sure that's completely true.. fionwe1987 - 26/09/2012 06:42:51 AM 1147 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. DomA - 26/09/2012 03:02:41 PM 1321 Views
This is what I've been saying for years! darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 05:48:01 PM 1024 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 03:17:00 AM 1210 Views
Probably something like this Sidious - 26/09/2012 08:36:40 AM 1258 Views
Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... Shannow - 26/09/2012 08:56:32 AM 1203 Views
Re: Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... Sidious - 26/09/2012 10:01:08 AM 1127 Views
Graendal almost has to be Stronger than Nynaeve darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 05:57:35 PM 1351 Views
One thing about that... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 02:58:56 AM 1233 Views
Possible, but I find it unlikely darius_sedai - 27/09/2012 06:16:56 AM 1148 Views
The reason I think that... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 06:25:48 AM 1216 Views
I always assumed Nynaeve at the top was a list he later revised as he decided to bring in darius_sedai - 27/09/2012 06:39:35 AM 1265 Views
Of course that's the correct answer, yes. Shannow - 27/09/2012 08:12:45 AM 1329 Views
I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 03:45:36 AM 1209 Views
Re: I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice kHz1000 - 26/09/2012 05:30:36 PM 1333 Views
That is the question I was getting at darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 06:00:03 PM 1263 Views
Re: That is the question I was getting at kHz1000 - 26/09/2012 07:01:34 PM 1295 Views
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