I tend to think most Author quotes regarding Strength speak to potential. Seems a little strange for RJ to have created a rolling list based on Nynaeve's current strength ... He'd have to constantly update it and while it's clear he had a pretty good sense of where his major characters current strength was in any given scene, he tended to build situations to demonstrate a strength increase. For instance Elayne spending weeks on a Seafolk ship weaving huge flows increased her strength. She openly notes it and is surprised when she is now strong enough to lift a woman. Another clear indicator that Elayne was significantly weaker than Egwene at this stage ... In the same time frame Egwene is already stronger than Moiraine. Elayne was probably no stronger than a middling Sister in TSR. A few months later in the Rebel camp we see another significant jump in Elayne, who is now clearly Stronger than any Sister in the camp.
Character POVs are obviously up for debate ... Alivia may have been "considerably" stronger than Nynaeve in the moment (and from a much weaker persons POV), but at full strength the differential may be significantly smaller. I tend to think we get a mix of current and potential comments from characters, but generally they point out when they are speaking of potential... As Egwene noted when she commented that Sharina was stronger than Nynaeve or Elayne when she talks about matching Egwene. It's possible Tamela and Viendre are not as strong as Elayne in potential, but were only stronger at that moment. I tend to think they may not have more potential, because Elayne didn't call it out, but it could as easily go the other way, but women that close to Someryn would discount the comment on her never having met someone even close to her in strength.
Character POVs are obviously up for debate ... Alivia may have been "considerably" stronger than Nynaeve in the moment (and from a much weaker persons POV), but at full strength the differential may be significantly smaller. I tend to think we get a mix of current and potential comments from characters, but generally they point out when they are speaking of potential... As Egwene noted when she commented that Sharina was stronger than Nynaeve or Elayne when she talks about matching Egwene. It's possible Tamela and Viendre are not as strong as Elayne in potential, but were only stronger at that moment. I tend to think they may not have more potential, because Elayne didn't call it out, but it could as easily go the other way, but women that close to Someryn would discount the comment on her never having met someone even close to her in strength.
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AMOL Prologue : Analysis of Forsaken section *major spoilers*
- 19/09/2012 05:47:21 PM
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You left out that Taim and Demandred have met before.
- 19/09/2012 06:19:01 PM
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Part of me keeps screaming Logain, though that can't be right...
- 20/09/2012 12:14:00 PM
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We have our answer as to why Cyndane and Moiraine are reduced in power.
- 20/09/2012 05:14:01 AM
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It was spelled out before.
- 20/09/2012 05:25:05 AM
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And some of us guessed that's what happened, we just didn't have evidence. *NM*
- 20/09/2012 12:04:18 PM
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Nor a lot of support for the idea...
- 22/09/2012 06:28:14 PM
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Really? Seemed like the obvious series of events
- 23/09/2012 02:32:35 PM
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I know...
- 23/09/2012 05:30:42 PM
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I'm not so sure
- 24/09/2012 05:32:50 PM
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Why question it?
- 25/09/2012 01:40:39 AM
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Re: Why question it?
- 25/09/2012 06:12:32 AM
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No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks
- 25/09/2012 04:10:04 PM
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Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks
- 25/09/2012 06:41:13 PM
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Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks
- 25/09/2012 07:21:03 PM
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Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks
- 25/09/2012 07:53:47 PM
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Demandred - the wasted Forsaken
- 20/09/2012 08:14:15 PM
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Talmanes
- 23/09/2012 12:42:27 AM
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I think you once again overestimate my appreciation of the series.
- 25/09/2012 02:33:34 PM
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Re: Talmanes
- 02/10/2012 03:27:05 PM
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I'm disappointed after waiting a week for a new post in the Forsaken thread, it's about Talmanes!
- 02/10/2012 09:46:48 PM
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Two interesting Forsaken issues you haven't raised
- 22/09/2012 06:21:34 PM
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Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand
- 23/09/2012 02:53:32 AM
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Re: Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand
- 23/09/2012 05:50:48 PM
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I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring
- 23/09/2012 06:35:19 PM
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Re: I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring
- 23/09/2012 07:46:59 PM
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I have to wonder at Hessalam
- 23/09/2012 01:20:13 PM
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Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam
- 23/09/2012 06:52:10 PM
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I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM
- 23/09/2012 07:17:15 PM
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Re: I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM
- 23/09/2012 08:19:02 PM
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EDIT ... Demandred has only had about 9 months (according to wotchron)
- 23/09/2012 09:13:44 PM
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Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam
- 24/09/2012 05:18:29 PM
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So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? Shara or Isle of Madmen back on the table?
- 23/09/2012 08:01:03 PM
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Re: So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game?
- 23/09/2012 08:52:48 PM
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Interesting...
- 23/09/2012 09:06:18 PM
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Re: Interesting...
- 23/09/2012 11:31:31 PM
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I think we saw them during the attack on Maradon. The Portal Stone attack seems less likely
- 23/09/2012 11:41:42 PM
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If I had to take a guess right now I'd say he has been setting up various Shadow armies thought the
- 23/09/2012 09:30:34 PM
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I think at the very least he has recreated the One-and-Eighty male channelers from the AOL...
- 23/09/2012 09:34:56 PM
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As I said he will almost certainly have Channelers
- 23/09/2012 09:47:53 PM
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All he needed to do was train 10 guys personally..
- 23/09/2012 09:51:46 PM
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It took Taim nearly a year to train a dozen men to a place where they could teach
- 23/09/2012 10:00:40 PM
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The world is 25,000 miles by 25,000 miles in size...
- 23/09/2012 10:15:22 PM
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That is just far fetched ... I think I would laugh out loud if that is the case
- 23/09/2012 10:43:37 PM
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Direct quote from Demandred refutes this...
- 23/09/2012 10:49:10 PM
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Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways
- 23/09/2012 10:55:00 PM
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"My rule is secure." Could Demandred be ruling an entire Mirror World?
- 23/09/2012 10:43:51 PM
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The changes in Moghedien
- 25/09/2012 03:29:15 AM
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I believe she commented on Graendal's strength, comparing it to Nynaeve or something?
- 25/09/2012 11:07:24 PM
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Well..
- 25/09/2012 11:15:21 PM
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Thanks for the quote, but reading that, it kind of implies the opposite, to me...
- 25/09/2012 11:35:53 PM
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Hmmm....
- 26/09/2012 12:00:33 AM
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Hehe, that old argument again.
- 26/09/2012 12:09:25 AM
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Yes.
- 26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM
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- 26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM
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I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength
- 26/09/2012 04:11:16 AM
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Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength
- 26/09/2012 08:53:02 AM
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Well...
- 26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM
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Re: Well...
- 26/09/2012 10:17:03 AM
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Moiraine lost more than 2/3 of her strength. Siuan lost about that and Moiraine seems
- 26/09/2012 04:46:18 PM
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Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength
- 27/09/2012 03:00:04 AM
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Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength
- 27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM
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As always you forget book 4 is more than half way through the timeline of the series
- 26/09/2012 03:58:22 AM
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Actually......
- 26/09/2012 02:30:00 AM
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Not sure that's completely true..
- 26/09/2012 06:42:51 AM
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Probably something like this
- 26/09/2012 08:36:40 AM
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Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here...
- 26/09/2012 08:56:32 AM
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Re: Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here...
- 26/09/2012 10:01:08 AM
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Graendal almost has to be Stronger than Nynaeve
- 26/09/2012 05:57:35 PM
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One thing about that...
- 27/09/2012 02:58:56 AM
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Possible, but I find it unlikely
- 27/09/2012 06:16:56 AM
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The reason I think that...
- 27/09/2012 06:25:48 AM
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I always assumed Nynaeve at the top was a list he later revised as he decided to bring in
- 27/09/2012 06:39:35 AM
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I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice
- 26/09/2012 03:45:36 AM
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Re: I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice
- 26/09/2012 05:30:36 PM
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