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Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength Sidious Send a noteboard - 27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM
I don't know about that. Her lumpig herself with Demandred, Moridin, Graendal and Cyndane when talking about Taim's strength is weird. It indicates to me that while she may be weakest of the Foresaken, she isn't so far away that there'e many intervening levels where she may expect current Age people to fall.


I'm not sure about that. Graendal said that Moghedien had found someone 'so much stronger' than her... referencing Cyndane, and even Moghedien said she took down far greater opponents who thought that she was no threat. The BWB also says that although she was a greater dreamwalker than Lanfear, she could not match her in the world of flesh.

As for Taim, I think she merely grouped herself as one of the Forsaken. Him and us. He is as strong as us.

I think it points to Moghedien being a big step below the others. Where I would suggest that all of the Forsaken are between 90 and 100, I think Moghedien is sitting at around 80.

Her personality undoubtedly makes her even weaker. Now that she has faced death at the Cleansing, and months of torture, she's become a stronger, bolder woman. She's not stronger in the Power but I think she'd challenge Graendal head on in a duel now.
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AMOL Prologue : Analysis of Forsaken section *major spoilers* Sidious - 19/09/2012 05:47:21 PM 3453 Views
You left out that Taim and Demandred have met before. Narg - 19/09/2012 06:19:01 PM 1679 Views
Part of me keeps screaming Logain, though that can't be right... Cannoli - 20/09/2012 12:14:00 PM 1624 Views
I thought of Logain as well... Narg - 20/09/2012 06:10:58 PM 1498 Views
We have our answer as to why Cyndane and Moiraine are reduced in power. Nargs - 20/09/2012 05:14:01 AM 1608 Views
It was spelled out before. Terez - 20/09/2012 05:25:05 AM 1424 Views
And some of us guessed that's what happened, we just didn't have evidence. *NM* Cannoli - 20/09/2012 12:04:18 PM 823 Views
Nor a lot of support for the idea... DomA - 22/09/2012 06:28:14 PM 1432 Views
Really? Seemed like the obvious series of events darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 02:32:35 PM 1376 Views
I know... DomA - 23/09/2012 05:30:42 PM 1443 Views
I'm not so sure Sidious - 24/09/2012 05:32:50 PM 1414 Views
Why question it? darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 01:40:39 AM 1264 Views
Re: Why question it? Sidious - 25/09/2012 06:12:32 AM 1266 Views
No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 04:10:04 PM 1495 Views
Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks Sidious - 25/09/2012 06:41:13 PM 1427 Views
Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks DomA - 25/09/2012 07:21:03 PM 1410 Views
Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks Sidious - 25/09/2012 07:53:47 PM 1186 Views
Six Chosen... entyti - 20/09/2012 05:19:17 AM 1595 Views
It's fan fiction, but it's cannon fan fiction The Wandering Gambler - 20/09/2012 06:55:18 AM 1639 Views
Demandred - the wasted Forsaken Tom - 20/09/2012 08:14:15 PM 1494 Views
RJ's writing was bad. Sanderson's is far worse. *NM* Marshall - 21/09/2012 06:19:04 AM 817 Views
Re: Demandred - the wasted Forsaken DomA - 22/09/2012 07:23:19 PM 1370 Views
Talmanes DomA - 23/09/2012 12:42:27 AM 1802 Views
I think you once again overestimate my appreciation of the series. Tom - 25/09/2012 02:33:34 PM 1346 Views
Re: Talmanes echooff - 02/10/2012 03:27:05 PM 1220 Views
I'm disappointed after waiting a week for a new post in the Forsaken thread, it's about Talmanes! Shannow - 02/10/2012 09:46:48 PM 1387 Views
Two interesting Forsaken issues you haven't raised DomA - 22/09/2012 06:21:34 PM 1616 Views
Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 02:53:32 AM 1424 Views
Re: Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand DomA - 23/09/2012 05:50:48 PM 1416 Views
I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 06:35:19 PM 1370 Views
Re: I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring DomA - 23/09/2012 07:46:59 PM 1536 Views
The first time we hear about Transmigration is in LOC darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 08:50:10 PM 1515 Views
Why was Ishamael reinstantiated as Nae'blis after his death? Marshall - 02/10/2012 10:17:03 PM 1388 Views
I have to wonder at Hessalam darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 01:20:13 PM 1580 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam DomA - 23/09/2012 06:52:10 PM 1665 Views
I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 07:17:15 PM 1320 Views
Re: I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM DomA - 23/09/2012 08:19:02 PM 1321 Views
EDIT ... Demandred has only had about 9 months (according to wotchron) darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 09:13:44 PM 1436 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam Sidious - 24/09/2012 05:18:29 PM 1779 Views
I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 03:22:56 AM 1261 Views
Re: I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! Sidious - 25/09/2012 06:13:51 AM 1328 Views
So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? Shara or Isle of Madmen back on the table? Shannow - 23/09/2012 08:01:03 PM 1398 Views
Re: So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? DomA - 23/09/2012 08:52:48 PM 1477 Views
Interesting... Shannow - 23/09/2012 09:06:18 PM 1273 Views
Re: Interesting... DomA - 23/09/2012 11:31:31 PM 1522 Views
I think we saw them during the attack on Maradon. The Portal Stone attack seems less likely darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 11:41:42 PM 1279 Views
Just one comment.. Shannow - 23/09/2012 11:53:09 PM 1985 Views
If I had to take a guess right now I'd say he has been setting up various Shadow armies thought the darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 09:30:34 PM 1310 Views
I think at the very least he has recreated the One-and-Eighty male channelers from the AOL... Shannow - 23/09/2012 09:34:56 PM 1387 Views
As I said he will almost certainly have Channelers darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 09:47:53 PM 1590 Views
All he needed to do was train 10 guys personally.. Shannow - 23/09/2012 09:51:46 PM 1215 Views
It took Taim nearly a year to train a dozen men to a place where they could teach darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:00:40 PM 1192 Views
The world is 25,000 miles by 25,000 miles in size... Shannow - 23/09/2012 10:15:22 PM 1300 Views
That is just far fetched ... I think I would laugh out loud if that is the case darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:43:37 PM 1307 Views
Direct quote from Demandred refutes this... Shannow - 23/09/2012 10:49:10 PM 1302 Views
Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:55:00 PM 1275 Views
Re: Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways Shannow - 23/09/2012 11:36:54 PM 1333 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 24/09/2012 12:31:48 AM 1346 Views
"My rule is secure." Could Demandred be ruling an entire Mirror World? Shannow - 23/09/2012 10:43:51 PM 1381 Views
I can certainly something like this happening darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:50:35 PM 1184 Views
I'm not sure it's possible... DomA - 24/09/2012 03:02:26 AM 1341 Views
I think ... Sidious - 24/09/2012 05:36:38 PM 1282 Views
The changes in Moghedien darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 03:29:15 AM 1162 Views
I believe she commented on Graendal's strength, comparing it to Nynaeve or something? Shannow - 25/09/2012 11:07:24 PM 1316 Views
Well.. fionwe1987 - 25/09/2012 11:15:21 PM 1199 Views
Thanks for the quote, but reading that, it kind of implies the opposite, to me... Shannow - 25/09/2012 11:35:53 PM 1501 Views
Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2012 12:00:33 AM 1236 Views
Hehe, that old argument again. Shannow - 26/09/2012 12:09:25 AM 1159 Views
Yes. fionwe1987 - 26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM 1129 Views
I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 04:11:16 AM 1297 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength Sidious - 26/09/2012 08:53:02 AM 1187 Views
Well... Shannow - 26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM 1144 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 26/09/2012 10:17:03 AM 1292 Views
Nice speculation. I like that type of calculation. Shannow - 26/09/2012 10:59:43 AM 1251 Views
Moiraine lost more than 2/3 of her strength. Siuan lost about that and Moiraine seems darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 04:46:18 PM 1376 Views
Re: Well... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 03:12:06 AM 1193 Views
Re: Well... Shannow - 27/09/2012 08:17:07 AM 1146 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 03:00:04 AM 1214 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength Sidious - 27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM 1222 Views
As always you forget book 4 is more than half way through the timeline of the series darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 03:58:22 AM 1310 Views
Actually...... DomA - 26/09/2012 02:30:00 AM 1301 Views
Agree with this.. Shannow - 26/09/2012 06:12:34 AM 1096 Views
Not sure that's completely true.. fionwe1987 - 26/09/2012 06:42:51 AM 1147 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. DomA - 26/09/2012 03:02:41 PM 1321 Views
This is what I've been saying for years! darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 05:48:01 PM 1023 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 03:17:00 AM 1210 Views
Probably something like this Sidious - 26/09/2012 08:36:40 AM 1256 Views
Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... Shannow - 26/09/2012 08:56:32 AM 1200 Views
Re: Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... Sidious - 26/09/2012 10:01:08 AM 1125 Views
Graendal almost has to be Stronger than Nynaeve darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 05:57:35 PM 1348 Views
One thing about that... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 02:58:56 AM 1232 Views
Possible, but I find it unlikely darius_sedai - 27/09/2012 06:16:56 AM 1147 Views
The reason I think that... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 06:25:48 AM 1215 Views
I always assumed Nynaeve at the top was a list he later revised as he decided to bring in darius_sedai - 27/09/2012 06:39:35 AM 1264 Views
Of course that's the correct answer, yes. Shannow - 27/09/2012 08:12:45 AM 1328 Views
I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 03:45:36 AM 1208 Views
Re: I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice kHz1000 - 26/09/2012 05:30:36 PM 1332 Views
That is the question I was getting at darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 06:00:03 PM 1261 Views
Re: That is the question I was getting at kHz1000 - 26/09/2012 07:01:34 PM 1293 Views
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