Active Users:870 Time:01/02/2026 12:57:23 PM
Back to Messageboard Post New Thread Search Help Stats Rules
It doesn't matter what figure you use... Shannow Send a noteboard - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM
And you've arbitrarily decided that Lanfear is 10x Daigian ... That is pure speculation on your part.


We can use any figure that you agree with. 7 times. Which I know is a figure you would support, right? Or 6 times. It makes no difference.

With Daigian at 0,3SD below the mean, she cannot be so much weaker than someone 5SD or 6SD above the mean in a normal distribution representing absolute units of strength.

The problem is Daigian is too close to the mean, and too much weaker than Egwene, meaning that Lanfear or even Egwene is too far above the mean then for there to be room on the lower side for people of their equivalent SD on the lower side.

It is not about the number I choose. You can choose any number you want. It is about the formula. That is what disproves a normal distribution of absolute strength.



Reply to message
How many standard deviations is Lanfear Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 2510 Views
Well... vandevere - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1512 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1603 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff darius_sedai - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 1451 Views
Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 1302 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 1339 Views
Re: DomA - 18/11/2012 11:07:17 PM 1528 Views
Re: Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:16:00 AM 1365 Views
Re: DomA - 19/11/2012 03:13:01 PM 1354 Views
They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 1394 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% DomA - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1574 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 1340 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 1392 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 1373 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 1443 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 1287 Views
Keep believing that... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 1439 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 1414 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 1313 Views
No it's the literary device darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 1429 Views
This is getting ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 1291 Views
You are missing my point completely darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 1222 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 1355 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 1441 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. Shannow - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 1396 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 845 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 1298 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 861 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? Praziquantel - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 1355 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? Lanfear - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 1226 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? Dreadlord - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 1406 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless beetnemesis - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 1295 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 1270 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 1307 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 1293 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 1344 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply Shannow - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 1368 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 829 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. Shannow - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 1158 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 1338 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... Shannow - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 1228 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 1364 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. Shannow - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 1295 Views
Are you kidding me? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1438 Views
Sure you can darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 1353 Views
Re: Sure you can DomA - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1340 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 1307 Views
Oops, typo! darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 1351 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 1306 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 1217 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 1167 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 1284 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 1361 Views
Forkroot in every case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 1288 Views
No! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 1292 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 1284 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 1295 Views
Not going to argue this with you. darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 1201 Views
Your own example disproved your point... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 1349 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 1235 Views
Enough! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 1304 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 821 Views
What a brilliant argument! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 1311 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 1266 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 1318 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 1322 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 1301 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 1275 Views
Excuse me? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 1373 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 1315 Views
??? Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 1396 Views
2 middling sisters darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 1324 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 1241 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 1278 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 1305 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 1216 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 1241 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 1243 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 1220 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 1292 Views
gotcha *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 792 Views
Better evidence? LOL! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 1295 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 1279 Views
Exactly *NM* Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 1272 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 1180 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 1338 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 1201 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 1365 Views
Indeed Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 1387 Views
Rand is sort of a special case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 1258 Views
Regarding Mesaana... Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 1282 Views
You continue to mix two things darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 1193 Views
No Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 1448 Views
You are mistaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 1253 Views
Yes she did Darius! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 1216 Views
Yet there is no duel darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 1213 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1450 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 1236 Views
It's irrelevant DomA - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 1315 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 1278 Views
Daigian Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 1274 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 1328 Views
You missed my point Sidious - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 1236 Views
Re: You missed my point DomA - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 1354 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 1246 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 1214 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 1136 Views
Re: Sure you can Tor - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 1383 Views
Care to explain this... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 1174 Views
Indeed Tor - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1386 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 1255 Views
Well duh. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 1350 Views
Incorrect. Shannow - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 1356 Views
No fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 1323 Views
Re: No Tor - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 1297 Views
That depends... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 1168 Views
Re: That depends... Tor - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1746 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 1299 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 1341 Views
It matters. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 1339 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 1138 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case Tor - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 1332 Views
You must tell me of this special math... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 1210 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 1285 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 1372 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1635 Views
Why? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 1301 Views
Re: Why? Tor - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1606 Views
Well... Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 1341 Views
Re: Well... DomA - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 1316 Views
Wow. Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 1345 Views
Re: Wow. DomA - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 1367 Views
Some points Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 1396 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 1278 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid DomA - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 1164 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 1350 Views
Agreed Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 1404 Views
probably darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 1238 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power DomA - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 1269 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 1300 Views
Indeed... DomA - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 1214 Views
I agree darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1490 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Lanfear - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 1289 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 1360 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really Lanfear - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1643 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 1423 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Tor - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1741 Views
Disregard this post *NM* Tor - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 1060 Views
Back to Messageboard Post New Thread Search Help Stats Rules

Reply to Message

Block Quote Paragraph Quote
Formatting
Smiley Codes