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Interesting, but let's go with your figures... Shannow Send a noteboard - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM
Daigian is just about strong enough to be AS, and I think RJ obviously put her in there to give us a clear bottom rung for Aes Sedai. And he gave us a useful comparison between her and the weakest woman we know who can channel reliably, Sorelia:

Abruptly, the glow of saidar surrounded the leather-faced woman. She was weak enough to make Daigian look at least moderately strong.


Now, my interpretation of this quote is open to discussion, but I think what this is intended to show is that Daigian sits halfway between a powerful Aes Sedai and the weakest of channelers. Cadsuane would consider a woman like Verin to be moderately strong. The presence of Sorelia makes her perspective shift, making it seem like Daigian is of that range. To me that implies that the scale would be

Sorelia + X=Daigian

Daigian + X= Verin

Verin + X= Moiraine

Based on all this, I put Sorelia at about 5, Daigian at 25 , Verin at about 45, and Moiraine at 65.

Leanne, afer being healed, was at the bottom of the heap, at less than half her former strength of 60. At half strength of 30, she would have been at a somewhat better position, and two-thirds her strength, 40, she says most Aes Sedai would have been as strong or stronger (and this makes perfect sense as the Aes Sedai mean will definitely be a bit lower than the overall mean, given how they don't have many stronger women).


If Daigian is 25, as you suggest above, with the mean at 50, it would mean that 0.3 SD = 25 (the distance between Daigian's strength and the Mean). This would mean that 1 SD = 3 x 25. Hence, 1SD = 75!

That would mean that every channeler alive falls less than 1 SD from the mean.

Clearly, that refutes a Normal Distribution, which only has 68% of a population within 1 SD from the Mean.

Once again, the figures don't matter. Daigian's placement at 0.3SD from the mean disproves a Normal Distribution.

Please, throw some more figures at me, and I'll use it again to disprove a linear Normal Distribution of One Power strength.

It's so simple that it should be obvious, really.
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How many standard deviations is Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 2545 Views
Well... - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1550 Views
Hmm... - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1636 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 1490 Views
- 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 1341 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 1368 Views
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They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 1433 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1602 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 1368 Views
Hmmm... - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 1419 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 1410 Views
Nope... - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 1477 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 1333 Views
Keep believing that... - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 1471 Views
*shrugs* - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 1451 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 1352 Views
No it's the literary device - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 1464 Views
This is getting ridiculous... - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 1323 Views
You are missing my point completely - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 1249 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 1396 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 1475 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 1432 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 862 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 1333 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 876 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 1395 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 1270 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 1434 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 1331 Views
I don't really agree - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 1309 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 1344 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 1336 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 1376 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 1405 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 847 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 1183 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 1365 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 1262 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 1398 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 1323 Views
Are you kidding me? - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1471 Views
Sure you can - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 1387 Views
Re: Sure you can - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1376 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 1342 Views
Oops, typo! - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 1388 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 1342 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 1252 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 1199 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 1322 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 1405 Views
Forkroot in every case - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 1322 Views
No! - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 1337 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 1317 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 1325 Views
Not going to argue this with you. - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 1235 Views
Your own example disproved your point... - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 1375 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 1265 Views
Enough! - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 1337 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 836 Views
What a brilliant argument! - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 1338 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 1301 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 1349 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 1350 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 1337 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 1304 Views
Excuse me? - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 1396 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 1347 Views
??? - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 1424 Views
2 middling sisters - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 1355 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 1277 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 1327 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 1343 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 1252 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 1277 Views
Nope... - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 1284 Views
wrong - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 1249 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 1324 Views
gotcha *NM* - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 808 Views
Better evidence? LOL! - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 1327 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 1319 Views
Exactly *NM* - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 1306 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 1215 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 1378 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 1235 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 1397 Views
Indeed - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 1422 Views
Rand is sort of a special case - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 1298 Views
Regarding Mesaana... - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 1311 Views
You continue to mix two things - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 1225 Views
No - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 1481 Views
You are mistaken - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 1278 Views
Yes she did Darius! - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 1249 Views
Yet there is no duel - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 1238 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1497 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 1270 Views
It's irrelevant - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 1351 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 1314 Views
Daigian - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 1314 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 1365 Views
You missed my point - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 1265 Views
Re: You missed my point - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 1405 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 1286 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 1249 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 1173 Views
Re: Sure you can - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 1412 Views
Care to explain this... - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 1206 Views
Indeed - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1420 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 1292 Views
Well duh. - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 1391 Views
Incorrect. - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 1383 Views
No - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 1358 Views
Re: No - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 1334 Views
That depends... - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 1201 Views
Re: That depends... - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1791 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 1332 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 1364 Views
It matters. - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 1369 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 1169 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 1368 Views
You must tell me of this special math... - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 1254 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 1316 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 1407 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1669 Views
Why? - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 1335 Views
Re: Why? - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1640 Views
Well... - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 1379 Views
Re: Well... - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 1341 Views
Wow. - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 1380 Views
Re: Wow. - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 1413 Views
Some points - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 1430 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 1315 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 1203 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 1375 Views
Agreed - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 1437 Views
probably - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 1271 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 1295 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 1331 Views
Indeed... - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 1242 Views
I agree - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1524 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 1319 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 1395 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1675 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 1459 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1780 Views
Disregard this post *NM* - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 1078 Views

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