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Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. Shannow Send a noteboard - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM
Daigian could well be lower than the 62.5% number RJ stated as we know the Tower has been weakening for centuries.


Daigian meets the current standards, if barely (if she didn't she would not have be allowed to pass the test for the shawl, she'd had remained an Accepted, constrained to remain in TV). RJ said only 32.5% of women are strong enough to meet them. It's possible the standards have been lowered at some point, though the AS seem to imply they did not (one of them mentioned at some point that despite the decreasing strength and the fact less and less candidates could meet the standards, they were not to lower them...) but 32,5% of women was the current state of things anyway (or RJ would have specified the number applied to a past state of things, not the current one...), and that forcibly includes Daigian at the minimal required level to be allowed to past the test.





My point being a combination of declining numbers and declining strength could easily lead to declining standards. Daigian was clearly dedicated to earning the Shawl, the AS may well have decided to lower the standard to keep numbers up. Obviously I'm in pure speculation territory, but Daigian could just as easily be an example of the decline of the WT as anything else. Ultimately it has little bearing on Bell Curves etc...


The context of the Q&A makes it very clear RJ was referring to the story's contemporary WT standards.


She lies exactly on that boundary that RJ was referring to.
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How many standard deviations is Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 2219 Views
Well... - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1220 Views
Hmm... - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1349 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 1194 Views
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We've always been close with everything except the scale - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 1105 Views
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They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 1118 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1319 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 1074 Views
Hmmm... - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 1150 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 1097 Views
Nope... - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 1150 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 1042 Views
Keep believing that... - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 1186 Views
*shrugs* - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 1131 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 1023 Views
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This is getting ridiculous... - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 1035 Views
You are missing my point completely - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 999 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 1099 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 1149 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 1111 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 700 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 1065 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 701 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 1094 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 951 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 1161 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 1050 Views
I don't really agree - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 1025 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 1070 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 1044 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 1083 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 1104 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 676 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 934 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 1070 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 950 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 1111 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 1075 Views
Are you kidding me? - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1200 Views
Sure you can - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 1103 Views
Re: Sure you can - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1081 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 1031 Views
Oops, typo! - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 1077 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 1031 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 960 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 912 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 1036 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 1090 Views
Forkroot in every case - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 1034 Views
No! - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 1022 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 1049 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 1010 Views
Not going to argue this with you. - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 967 Views
Your own example disproved your point... - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 1083 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 989 Views
Enough! - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 1045 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 666 Views
What a brilliant argument! - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 1057 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 997 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 1085 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 1090 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 1051 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 1042 Views
Excuse me? - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 1088 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 1053 Views
??? - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 1154 Views
2 middling sisters - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 1077 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 994 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 1020 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 1056 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 990 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 996 Views
Nope... - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 1019 Views
wrong - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 944 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 1061 Views
gotcha *NM* - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 634 Views
Better evidence? LOL! - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 1035 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 1040 Views
Exactly *NM* - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 987 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 942 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 1054 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 951 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 1068 Views
Indeed - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 1124 Views
Rand is sort of a special case - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 989 Views
Regarding Mesaana... - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 1025 Views
You continue to mix two things - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 949 Views
No - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 1183 Views
You are mistaken - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 1037 Views
Yes she did Darius! - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 960 Views
Yet there is no duel - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 964 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1196 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 987 Views
It's irrelevant - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 1058 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 1027 Views
Daigian - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 1035 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 1051 Views
You missed my point - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 978 Views
Re: You missed my point - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 1066 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 994 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 985 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 874 Views
Re: Sure you can - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 1114 Views
Care to explain this... - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 941 Views
Indeed - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1142 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 994 Views
Well duh. - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 1107 Views
Incorrect. - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 1091 Views
No - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 1078 Views
Re: No - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 1053 Views
That depends... - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 924 Views
Re: That depends... - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1344 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 1050 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 1101 Views
It matters. - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 1063 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 889 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 1100 Views
You must tell me of this special math... - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 969 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 1023 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 1105 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1259 Views
Why? - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 1058 Views
Re: Why? - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1237 Views
Well... - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 1100 Views
Re: Well... - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 1078 Views
Wow. - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 1103 Views
Re: Wow. - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 1124 Views
Some points - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 1165 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 1009 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 880 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 1104 Views
Agreed - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 1141 Views
probably - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 1002 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 1011 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 1020 Views
Indeed... - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 995 Views
I agree - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1241 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 1038 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 1085 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1408 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 1170 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1312 Views
Disregard this post *NM* - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 881 Views

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