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Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM

There is no reason to assume Aviendha is wrong in a direct quote about something as simple as strength. Now it's probable that Aviendha was speaking about Potential rather than current strength, but even still Egwene was enough stronger than Amys to batter down the shield Amys held on her later in the book

But was unable to do so with Katerine, Barasine or Silviana, of whom only one is likely as strong as Amys at best?

I don't think anyone is arguing Egwene is stronger than Amys. The problem is the assumption that she's twice as strong, which makes no sense in light of Elza's quote.
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How many standard deviations is Lanfear Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 2471 Views
Well... vandevere - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1472 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1569 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff darius_sedai - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 1418 Views
Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 1269 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 1300 Views
Re: DomA - 18/11/2012 11:07:17 PM 1485 Views
Re: Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:16:00 AM 1327 Views
Re: DomA - 19/11/2012 03:13:01 PM 1322 Views
They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 1351 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% DomA - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1540 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 1310 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 1356 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 1338 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 1408 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 1249 Views
Keep believing that... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 1405 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 1382 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 1270 Views
No it's the literary device darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 1384 Views
This is getting ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 1255 Views
You are missing my point completely darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 1188 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 1317 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 1392 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. Shannow - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 1358 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 831 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 1263 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 849 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? Praziquantel - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 1320 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? Lanfear - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 1176 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? Dreadlord - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 1377 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless beetnemesis - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 1262 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 1241 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 1269 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 1255 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 1295 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply Shannow - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 1335 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 812 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. Shannow - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 1129 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 1306 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... Shannow - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 1185 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 1326 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. Shannow - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 1258 Views
Are you kidding me? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1408 Views
Sure you can darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 1310 Views
Re: Sure you can DomA - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1315 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 1272 Views
Oops, typo! darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 1311 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 1267 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 1175 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 1121 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 1247 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 1318 Views
Forkroot in every case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 1257 Views
No! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 1246 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 1254 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 1253 Views
Not going to argue this with you. darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 1162 Views
Your own example disproved your point... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 1311 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 1198 Views
Enough! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 1267 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 803 Views
What a brilliant argument! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 1275 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 1221 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 1283 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 1288 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 1271 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 1245 Views
Excuse me? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 1340 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 1280 Views
??? Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 1363 Views
2 middling sisters darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 1286 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 1209 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 1237 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 1260 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 1185 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 1202 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 1216 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 1183 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 1261 Views
gotcha *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 772 Views
Better evidence? LOL! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 1251 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 1244 Views
Exactly *NM* Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 1218 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 1146 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 1301 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 1166 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 1326 Views
Indeed Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 1351 Views
Rand is sort of a special case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 1223 Views
Regarding Mesaana... Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 1250 Views
You continue to mix two things darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 1149 Views
No Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 1416 Views
You are mistaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 1224 Views
Yes she did Darius! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 1179 Views
Yet there is no duel darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 1174 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1408 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 1191 Views
It's irrelevant DomA - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 1283 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 1239 Views
Daigian Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 1241 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 1286 Views
You missed my point Sidious - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 1204 Views
Re: You missed my point DomA - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 1309 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 1211 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 1173 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 1101 Views
Re: Sure you can Tor - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 1343 Views
Care to explain this... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 1142 Views
Indeed Tor - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1350 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 1215 Views
Well duh. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 1307 Views
Incorrect. Shannow - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 1320 Views
No fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 1286 Views
Re: No Tor - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 1260 Views
That depends... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 1137 Views
Re: That depends... Tor - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1712 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 1256 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 1311 Views
It matters. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 1302 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 1100 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case Tor - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 1297 Views
You must tell me of this special math... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 1176 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 1253 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 1331 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1603 Views
Why? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 1266 Views
Re: Why? Tor - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1570 Views
Well... Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 1311 Views
Re: Well... DomA - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 1292 Views
Wow. Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 1304 Views
Re: Wow. DomA - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 1327 Views
Some points Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 1361 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 1239 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid DomA - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 1118 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 1309 Views
Agreed Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 1366 Views
probably darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 1201 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power DomA - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 1229 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 1269 Views
Indeed... DomA - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 1187 Views
I agree darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1455 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Lanfear - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 1249 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 1331 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really Lanfear - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1608 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 1387 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Tor - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1704 Views
Disregard this post *NM* Tor - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 1044 Views
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