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Rand is sort of a special case darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM
he is as strong as a Forsaken from almost his first moments touching the Source (he's stronger than Aginor in EoTW and a match for Be'lal and Ishamael in TDR) in all honesty his strength has been inconsistent throughout the series, but he's never been weaker than any Forsaken Male. Egwene and Elayne were both well short of their ultimate strength when he manhandles them and Verin and Alana are probably no more than Mean level Sisters so him overpowering them is a no brainer ... on my scale the stongest they can be is 32 ... Maybe 1 SD above a Mean of 24 or so ... combined they wouldn't be much more than 1/2 of a Forsaken male.

When you consider a Forsaken is going to be at a minimum an Effective strength of 85 it's going to take the most Powerful sisters (Myrelle or higher) to even be a strength match for a single weak Forsaken on a strength basis ... at a minimum they would need 3 of the Strongest Sisters to have a reliable strength match and even that would easily be countered by superior skill. If Nynaeve was ball park 85 in Ebou Dar, Ispan and Falion combined would be around around a 60-65 and their shield would be viable. Even if they lost 10% of their raw power they would gain effectiveness from linking and could hold Nynaeve.

I agree that for most of the series Egwene is around a 65-70 (between 80-90% or her potential), but I don't think she's hit her full potential ( 80 IMO) until maybe TGS when we see some significant increases in her abilities. Even in KoD she briefly considers taking on 5 AS until she realizes she's been forkrooted. And in ToM, after her massive use of Power using Vora's sa'angreal probably pushed her to her full potential, she is confident she can defeat Mesaana in single combat, which lends to her being much closer to Forsaken Strength than AS strength. And let's not forget that RJ noted that Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha are ONE level below the Forsaken.
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How many standard deviations is Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 2324 Views
Well... - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1332 Views
Hmm... - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1458 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 1296 Views
- 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 1161 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 1204 Views
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They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 1221 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1423 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 1177 Views
Hmmm... - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 1256 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 1210 Views
Nope... - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 1268 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 1147 Views
Keep believing that... - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 1292 Views
*shrugs* - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 1247 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 1135 Views
No it's the literary device - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 1271 Views
This is getting ridiculous... - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 1139 Views
You are missing my point completely - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 1100 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 1202 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 1266 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 1217 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 783 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 1166 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 785 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 1195 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 1060 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 1264 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 1153 Views
I don't really agree - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 1127 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 1170 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 1147 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 1190 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 1202 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 761 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 1039 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 1167 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 1058 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 1209 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 1178 Views
Are you kidding me? - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1304 Views
Sure you can - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 1200 Views
Re: Sure you can - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1192 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 1146 Views
Oops, typo! - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 1182 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 1133 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 1064 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 1016 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 1138 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 1216 Views
Forkroot in every case - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 1136 Views
No! - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 1126 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 1153 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 1126 Views
Not going to argue this with you. - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 1073 Views
Your own example disproved your point... - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 1190 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 1090 Views
Enough! - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 1148 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 749 Views
What a brilliant argument! - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 1159 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 1101 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 1190 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 1198 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 1165 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 1148 Views
Excuse me? - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 1212 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 1158 Views
??? - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 1255 Views
2 middling sisters - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 1188 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 1093 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 1124 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 1161 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 1096 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 1106 Views
Nope... - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 1129 Views
wrong - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 1053 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 1168 Views
gotcha *NM* - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 716 Views
Better evidence? LOL! - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 1139 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 1144 Views
Exactly *NM* - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 1094 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 1053 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 1178 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 1057 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 1177 Views
Indeed - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 1229 Views
Rand is sort of a special case - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 1096 Views
Regarding Mesaana... - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 1128 Views
You continue to mix two things - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 1055 Views
No - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 1295 Views
You are mistaken - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 1142 Views
Yes she did Darius! - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 1066 Views
Yet there is no duel - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 1075 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1297 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 1091 Views
It's irrelevant - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 1160 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 1132 Views
Daigian - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 1140 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 1161 Views
You missed my point - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 1082 Views
Re: You missed my point - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 1191 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 1110 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 1086 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 988 Views
Re: Sure you can - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 1222 Views
Care to explain this... - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 1042 Views
Indeed - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1245 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 1099 Views
Well duh. - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 1220 Views
Incorrect. - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 1200 Views
No - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 1186 Views
Re: No - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 1156 Views
That depends... - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 1024 Views
Re: That depends... - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1581 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 1152 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 1202 Views
It matters. - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 1174 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 993 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 1199 Views
You must tell me of this special math... - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 1068 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 1127 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 1209 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1498 Views
Why? - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 1163 Views
Re: Why? - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1474 Views
Well... - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 1197 Views
Re: Well... - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 1179 Views
Wow. - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 1204 Views
Re: Wow. - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 1228 Views
Some points - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 1274 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 1117 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 988 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 1210 Views
Agreed - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 1255 Views
probably - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 1110 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 1111 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 1139 Views
Indeed... - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 1094 Views
I agree - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1343 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 1152 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 1191 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1521 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 1269 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1576 Views
Disregard this post *NM* - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 979 Views

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