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None of this is backed by any evidence... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM

Moiraine is probably 2x a Sister like Kairen or Temaile, "middling " while Cadsuane is probably 2x a Sister like Tarna or Masuri.

There is literally no evidence for this.
Realistically I think Cadsuane is probably closer to Egwene than Moiraine as her quote is much more specific regarding strength than anything Moiraine says, and Moiraine is also clearly rationalizing when she's speaking of how much stronger Cadsuane is ...

Cadsuane:

Cadsuane went on. "Meilyn is considerably older. When she and I are gone, that leaves Kerene the strongest." Larelle flinched. Did the woman mean to violate every custom in one go? "Am I disturbing you?" Cadsuane's solicitous tone could not have been more false, and she did not wait for an answer. "Holding our silence about age doesn't keep people from knowing we live longer than they. Phaaw! From Kerene, it's a sharp drop to the next five. Five once this child and the Sanche girl reach their potential. And one of those is as old as I am and in retirement to boot."

This is far more definitive than Moiraine's internal whining about Cadsuane:

Even a woman as strong as Cadsuane had no right to order her here.

Cadsuane's statement makes it obvious that Kerene is well above Moiraine. In fact, from the quote Meilyn may be stronger than Kerene (hard to tell for certain). In any case there is a pretty good gap between Moiraine and Cadsuane.

Indeed. And between Moiraine and Cadsuane are Therava, as you said, and Karene and Nissa and Nicola. But while there's a clear gap between Cadsuane and Moiraine, its not even close to Cadsuane being 2x or even 1.5x Moiraine. If Moiraine is in the 55-60 range, Cadsuane is in the 70-75 range, with Egwene at 80. More likely, its Egwene at 75, Cadsuane at 70, and Moiraine at 55. Amys would be at 50-55, Melaine at 45, Merise at 50, Elza at 35-40.
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How many standard deviations is Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 2468 Views
Well... - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1467 Views
Hmm... - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1566 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 1413 Views
- 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 1265 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 1298 Views
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They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 1346 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1537 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 1305 Views
Hmmm... - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 1355 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 1334 Views
Nope... - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 1403 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 1247 Views
Keep believing that... - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 1402 Views
*shrugs* - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 1378 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 1264 Views
No it's the literary device - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 1378 Views
This is getting ridiculous... - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 1251 Views
You are missing my point completely - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 1187 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 1314 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 1389 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 1353 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 827 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 1260 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 847 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 1317 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 1170 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 1372 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 1255 Views
I don't really agree - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 1238 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 1267 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 1251 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 1290 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 1332 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 810 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 1127 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 1303 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 1181 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 1324 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 1256 Views
Are you kidding me? - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1405 Views
Sure you can - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 1308 Views
Re: Sure you can - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1313 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 1265 Views
Oops, typo! - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 1307 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 1265 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 1173 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 1118 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 1243 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 1315 Views
Forkroot in every case - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 1255 Views
No! - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 1242 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 1252 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 1251 Views
Not going to argue this with you. - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 1160 Views
Your own example disproved your point... - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 1307 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 1194 Views
Enough! - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 1265 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 801 Views
What a brilliant argument! - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 1273 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 1220 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 1280 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 1283 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 1269 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 1244 Views
Excuse me? - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 1336 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 1276 Views
??? - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 1357 Views
2 middling sisters - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 1283 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 1204 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 1229 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 1255 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 1181 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 1196 Views
Nope... - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 1213 Views
wrong - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 1179 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 1258 Views
gotcha *NM* - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 771 Views
Better evidence? LOL! - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 1244 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 1240 Views
Exactly *NM* - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 1217 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 1143 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 1298 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 1164 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 1323 Views
Indeed - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 1348 Views
Rand is sort of a special case - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 1218 Views
Regarding Mesaana... - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 1247 Views
You continue to mix two things - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 1148 Views
No - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 1413 Views
You are mistaken - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 1223 Views
Yes she did Darius! - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 1177 Views
Yet there is no duel - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 1173 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1405 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 1184 Views
It's irrelevant - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 1281 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 1234 Views
Daigian - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 1237 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 1281 Views
You missed my point - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 1203 Views
Re: You missed my point - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 1303 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 1207 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 1170 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 1097 Views
Re: Sure you can - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 1338 Views
Care to explain this... - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 1140 Views
Indeed - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1347 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 1214 Views
Well duh. - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 1305 Views
Incorrect. - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 1318 Views
No - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 1284 Views
Re: No - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 1256 Views
That depends... - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 1135 Views
Re: That depends... - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1706 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 1253 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 1307 Views
It matters. - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 1299 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 1097 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 1294 Views
You must tell me of this special math... - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 1172 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 1249 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 1327 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1601 Views
Why? - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 1264 Views
Re: Why? - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1566 Views
Well... - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 1308 Views
Re: Well... - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 1289 Views
Wow. - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 1302 Views
Re: Wow. - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 1322 Views
Some points - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 1356 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 1237 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 1115 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 1302 Views
Agreed - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 1364 Views
probably - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 1196 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 1225 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 1268 Views
Indeed... - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 1185 Views
I agree - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1451 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 1247 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 1327 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1604 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 1384 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1700 Views
Disregard this post *NM* - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 1041 Views

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