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I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM
By keeping things vague he allowed himself plenty of wriggle room for any Channeling eventuality. Basically he made it possible to have just about any Channeler to accomplish most things if necessary without completely screwing up his system.

I don't think the Forsaken need to be vastly stronger in the Power than modern AS, they have so much more knowledge they will seem god-like in comparison anyway. Not to mention RJ made it easy to add new Talents, skills, weaves that only one of the FS possessed or a random AS/WO/WF ... all of this adds up to a murky picture of what strength really is.
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How many standard deviations is Lanfear Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 2545 Views
Well... vandevere - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1550 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1636 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff darius_sedai - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 1489 Views
Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 1341 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 1368 Views
Re: DomA - 18/11/2012 11:07:17 PM 1561 Views
Re: Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:16:00 AM 1402 Views
Re: DomA - 19/11/2012 03:13:01 PM 1388 Views
They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 1433 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% DomA - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1602 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 1368 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 1419 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 1410 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 1477 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 1333 Views
Keep believing that... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 1470 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 1451 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 1352 Views
No it's the literary device darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 1463 Views
This is getting ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 1323 Views
You are missing my point completely darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 1249 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 1396 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 1474 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. Shannow - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 1432 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 862 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 1333 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 876 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? Praziquantel - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 1394 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? Lanfear - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 1270 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? Dreadlord - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 1434 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless beetnemesis - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 1331 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 1309 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 1344 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 1336 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 1376 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply Shannow - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 1405 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 847 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. Shannow - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 1183 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 1365 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... Shannow - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 1262 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 1398 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. Shannow - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 1323 Views
Are you kidding me? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1471 Views
Sure you can darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 1387 Views
Re: Sure you can DomA - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1376 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 1342 Views
Oops, typo! darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 1388 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 1341 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 1252 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 1199 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 1322 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 1405 Views
Forkroot in every case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 1321 Views
No! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 1337 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 1317 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 1325 Views
Not going to argue this with you. darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 1235 Views
Your own example disproved your point... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 1374 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 1265 Views
Enough! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 1337 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 836 Views
What a brilliant argument! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 1338 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 1301 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 1349 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 1349 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 1336 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 1304 Views
Excuse me? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 1395 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 1347 Views
??? Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 1424 Views
2 middling sisters darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 1355 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 1276 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 1327 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 1342 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 1252 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 1276 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 1284 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 1249 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 1324 Views
gotcha *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 807 Views
Better evidence? LOL! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 1327 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 1318 Views
Exactly *NM* Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 1305 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 1215 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 1378 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 1235 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 1396 Views
Indeed Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 1422 Views
Rand is sort of a special case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 1297 Views
Regarding Mesaana... Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 1310 Views
You continue to mix two things darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 1225 Views
No Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 1481 Views
You are mistaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 1278 Views
Yes she did Darius! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 1248 Views
Yet there is no duel darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 1238 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1497 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 1270 Views
It's irrelevant DomA - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 1351 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 1314 Views
Daigian Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 1314 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 1365 Views
You missed my point Sidious - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 1265 Views
Re: You missed my point DomA - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 1405 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 1286 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 1249 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 1173 Views
Re: Sure you can Tor - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 1412 Views
Care to explain this... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 1206 Views
Indeed Tor - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1419 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 1292 Views
Well duh. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 1391 Views
Incorrect. Shannow - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 1383 Views
No fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 1358 Views
Re: No Tor - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 1334 Views
That depends... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 1201 Views
Re: That depends... Tor - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1791 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 1332 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 1364 Views
It matters. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 1368 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 1169 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case Tor - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 1368 Views
You must tell me of this special math... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 1253 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 1316 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 1407 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1668 Views
Why? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 1335 Views
Re: Why? Tor - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1640 Views
Well... Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 1379 Views
Re: Well... DomA - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 1341 Views
Wow. Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 1380 Views
Re: Wow. DomA - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 1413 Views
Some points Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 1430 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 1315 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid DomA - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 1203 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 1374 Views
Agreed Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 1437 Views
probably darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 1271 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power DomA - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 1295 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 1331 Views
Indeed... DomA - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 1242 Views
I agree darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1523 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Lanfear - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 1319 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 1395 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really Lanfear - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1675 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 1458 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Tor - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1780 Views
Disregard this post *NM* Tor - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 1078 Views
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