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Re: She is dead *spoilers* Gaidal Craig Send a noteboard - 03/11/2009 09:01:07 AM
Graendal is dead... the whole test Rand used to prove it was ingenious. She was known for her complex weaves of complusion which proves nearly conclusively that she was in the manor, and when she was bale-fired the complex weaves vanished from the guys brain... that is conclusive proof that she is dead, similar to the way Rand balefired Rahvin who killed Matt and Aviendha is Caemlyn.


Well, it's proof that whoever created the Compulsion - almost certainly Graendal - is dead, but there's a tiny amount of wriggling space there for her to survive.

A bigger question for me is, given how much power Rand drew through the Choeden Kal to balefire the whole palace, how far back was Graendal's thread burned from the pattern? Is Alsalam still alive? If she killed Asmodean (which I think is very likely) could it have burned back far enough that he's now alive again? This seems implausible but not impossible, though that would make a heck of a mess of the pattern.
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Graendal's fate? - 02/11/2009 04:18:11 AM 1877 Views
Dead. - 02/11/2009 04:22:48 AM 880 Views
Maybe... - 02/11/2009 04:28:16 AM 854 Views
I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 04:36:37 AM 897 Views
Re: I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 04:40:30 AM 835 Views
Re: I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 05:08:09 AM 792 Views
Why has she been removed from the list of suspects? - 02/11/2009 02:29:41 PM 774 Views
She is dead - 09/11/2009 01:37:03 AM 725 Views
That's pretty terrible logic - 19/11/2009 05:58:57 AM 887 Views
I disagree. - 02/11/2009 10:29:21 PM 728 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:43:45 AM 353 Views
Could it have been Verin who killed Asmodean? - 02/11/2009 05:20:37 AM 1296 Views
She is dead *spoilers* - 02/11/2009 05:44:21 AM 879 Views
Re: She is dead *spoilers* - 03/11/2009 09:01:07 AM 744 Views
Re: She is dead *spoilers* - 09/11/2009 01:38:56 AM 853 Views
I say dead. *NM* - 02/11/2009 06:07:15 AM 398 Views
Dead. - 02/11/2009 06:46:10 AM 724 Views
Dead as Dumbledore. But why does it preclude her from being Asmo's killer? - 02/11/2009 07:04:08 AM 813 Views
Right. That info could easily be revealed through the POV of another. *NM* - 02/11/2009 02:15:31 PM 362 Views
It could but... - 02/11/2009 03:14:23 PM 810 Views
Moridin would most likely know. - 02/11/2009 04:06:04 PM 724 Views
Well.... - 02/11/2009 08:52:52 AM 779 Views
*NM* - 18/11/2009 10:45:52 PM 344 Views
Alive until proven otherwise IMO *spoilers* - 02/11/2009 03:47:51 PM 799 Views
That weave was very complex. - 02/11/2009 10:34:36 PM 719 Views
Actually, the one that Rand had Nynaeve study earlier was more complex. - 04/11/2009 05:11:07 PM 801 Views
But you can't reverse Compulsion by unraveling it, right? - 18/11/2009 10:48:08 PM 743 Views
Almost certainly dead - 02/11/2009 04:48:18 PM 893 Views
Yeah. Compared to, say, Sammael's "death" - 02/11/2009 10:40:01 PM 802 Views
Not even almost. Graendal and Sammael now both go well with eggs. *NM* - 03/11/2009 01:51:15 AM 384 Views
Oh, I agree, but fiction, deus ex machina, etc - 04/11/2009 09:58:42 PM 733 Views
Graendal is dead. the evidence is pretty hard - 03/11/2009 08:00:27 PM 3065 Views
Well, unlike everyone else, - 04/11/2009 01:34:57 AM 725 Views
Alive. It's the simplest answer for me, especially considering that Rand knew she was more cunning - 04/11/2009 05:03:38 PM 903 Views
Re: Balefire. - 04/11/2009 05:30:12 PM 731 Views
Not necessarily. - 04/11/2009 06:08:34 PM 702 Views
The thing is... - 04/11/2009 06:25:43 PM 778 Views
Here's the rub - she had no desire to come into contact with Rand. - 04/11/2009 10:30:05 PM 956 Views
Hm. Possible. - 04/11/2009 06:42:12 PM 1020 Views
I think it's the most simple possibility. - 04/11/2009 10:39:02 PM 732 Views
Re: I think it's the most simple possibility. - 09/11/2009 01:51:52 AM 663 Views
That's just absurd - 04/11/2009 10:48:30 PM 816 Views
No, I'm making it more simple. - 04/11/2009 11:11:36 PM 748 Views
That thoery doesn't account for the undoing of the Compulsion - 04/11/2009 11:50:06 PM 768 Views
Yes, it does. Distance causes maintained weaves and Links to attenuate. - 05/11/2009 04:22:37 PM 787 Views
Yes, but Compulsion is almost never a maintained weave *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:19:24 PM 410 Views
But the real question in my mind... - 02/12/2009 08:28:31 PM 729 Views
Well - 06/12/2009 08:45:12 PM 1171 Views
Odds are she's dead - 06/12/2009 08:48:19 PM 615 Views
Re: No, I'm making it more simple. - 09/11/2009 01:53:49 AM 740 Views
Amen! Praise the Great Lord of the Dark! **I agree with all points** - 05/11/2009 07:21:52 AM 772 Views
This sounds familiar. - 09/11/2009 06:54:17 AM 684 Views
Yes... - 17/11/2009 12:12:04 PM 682 Views
Yeah, I was shocked initially. - 18/11/2009 10:58:15 PM 746 Views
Proof for reincarnation exists - 26/11/2009 06:38:17 PM 712 Views
RJ said... - 26/11/2009 06:51:26 PM 832 Views
But Rand's was spread over a LARGE area *NM* - 27/11/2009 12:17:47 AM 312 Views
He was drawing through the Choedan Kal... *NM* - 27/11/2009 01:09:23 AM 306 Views

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