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This sounds familiar. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 09/11/2009 06:54:17 AM
You know, at first, I had the same reaction. I figured it couldn't be as easy as that. But let's face reality: the Forsaken are completely inept. From Balthamel who was killed by a walking garden and Aginor who overdrew on the Source like an untrained Wilder, to Be'lal who got backstabbed and killed in a single blow after appearing for all of one scene, to Lanfear who despite being the most powerful woman in the Power and using an angreal, died from being randomly tackled, to Rahvin and Sammael who died from the intervention of another Forsaken on behalf of the Light, to Osan'gar who was randomly killed by a circle at the Cleansing and culminating with Semirhage's poorly thought out plan and subsequent destruction with her master's own Power, the Forsaken were never meant to really be awe inspiring once we got to know them.

Rand almost ripped the Pattern apart through massive usage of balefire, that was the purpose of that scene. Granedal was only a means to that end. She was never consequential.

I expect she's dead. And I expect that this will be the new 'Semirhage was planning to get captured all along' that we witnessed after Knife of Dreams. No, she really did fail that badly.
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Graendal's fate? - 02/11/2009 04:18:11 AM 2038 Views
Dead. - 02/11/2009 04:22:48 AM 991 Views
Maybe... - 02/11/2009 04:28:16 AM 967 Views
I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 04:36:37 AM 1002 Views
Re: I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 04:40:30 AM 993 Views
Re: I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 05:08:09 AM 902 Views
Why has she been removed from the list of suspects? - 02/11/2009 02:29:41 PM 890 Views
She is dead - 09/11/2009 01:37:03 AM 843 Views
That's pretty terrible logic - 19/11/2009 05:58:57 AM 1014 Views
I disagree. - 02/11/2009 10:29:21 PM 852 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:43:45 AM 415 Views
Could it have been Verin who killed Asmodean? - 02/11/2009 05:20:37 AM 1416 Views
She is dead *spoilers* - 02/11/2009 05:44:21 AM 1000 Views
Re: She is dead *spoilers* - 03/11/2009 09:01:07 AM 869 Views
Re: She is dead *spoilers* - 09/11/2009 01:38:56 AM 974 Views
I say dead. *NM* - 02/11/2009 06:07:15 AM 450 Views
Dead. - 02/11/2009 06:46:10 AM 851 Views
Dead as Dumbledore. But why does it preclude her from being Asmo's killer? - 02/11/2009 07:04:08 AM 934 Views
Right. That info could easily be revealed through the POV of another. *NM* - 02/11/2009 02:15:31 PM 410 Views
It could but... - 02/11/2009 03:14:23 PM 943 Views
Moridin would most likely know. - 02/11/2009 04:06:04 PM 854 Views
Well.... - 02/11/2009 08:52:52 AM 892 Views
*NM* - 18/11/2009 10:45:52 PM 391 Views
Alive until proven otherwise IMO *spoilers* - 02/11/2009 03:47:51 PM 912 Views
That weave was very complex. - 02/11/2009 10:34:36 PM 834 Views
Actually, the one that Rand had Nynaeve study earlier was more complex. - 04/11/2009 05:11:07 PM 911 Views
But you can't reverse Compulsion by unraveling it, right? - 18/11/2009 10:48:08 PM 861 Views
Almost certainly dead - 02/11/2009 04:48:18 PM 1019 Views
Yeah. Compared to, say, Sammael's "death" - 02/11/2009 10:40:01 PM 916 Views
Not even almost. Graendal and Sammael now both go well with eggs. *NM* - 03/11/2009 01:51:15 AM 438 Views
Oh, I agree, but fiction, deus ex machina, etc - 04/11/2009 09:58:42 PM 842 Views
Graendal is dead. the evidence is pretty hard - 03/11/2009 08:00:27 PM 3181 Views
Well, unlike everyone else, - 04/11/2009 01:34:57 AM 840 Views
Alive. It's the simplest answer for me, especially considering that Rand knew she was more cunning - 04/11/2009 05:03:38 PM 1032 Views
Re: Balefire. - 04/11/2009 05:30:12 PM 867 Views
Not necessarily. - 04/11/2009 06:08:34 PM 822 Views
The thing is... - 04/11/2009 06:25:43 PM 894 Views
Here's the rub - she had no desire to come into contact with Rand. - 04/11/2009 10:30:05 PM 1091 Views
Hm. Possible. - 04/11/2009 06:42:12 PM 1134 Views
I think it's the most simple possibility. - 04/11/2009 10:39:02 PM 858 Views
Re: I think it's the most simple possibility. - 09/11/2009 01:51:52 AM 797 Views
That's just absurd - 04/11/2009 10:48:30 PM 939 Views
No, I'm making it more simple. - 04/11/2009 11:11:36 PM 879 Views
That thoery doesn't account for the undoing of the Compulsion - 04/11/2009 11:50:06 PM 884 Views
Yes, it does. Distance causes maintained weaves and Links to attenuate. - 05/11/2009 04:22:37 PM 940 Views
Yes, but Compulsion is almost never a maintained weave *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:19:24 PM 459 Views
But the real question in my mind... - 02/12/2009 08:28:31 PM 841 Views
Well - 06/12/2009 08:45:12 PM 1291 Views
Odds are she's dead - 06/12/2009 08:48:19 PM 736 Views
Re: No, I'm making it more simple. - 09/11/2009 01:53:49 AM 850 Views
Amen! Praise the Great Lord of the Dark! **I agree with all points** - 05/11/2009 07:21:52 AM 877 Views
This sounds familiar. - 09/11/2009 06:54:17 AM 795 Views
Yes... - 17/11/2009 12:12:04 PM 796 Views
Yeah, I was shocked initially. - 18/11/2009 10:58:15 PM 875 Views
Proof for reincarnation exists - 26/11/2009 06:38:17 PM 816 Views
RJ said... - 26/11/2009 06:51:26 PM 970 Views
But Rand's was spread over a LARGE area *NM* - 27/11/2009 12:17:47 AM 370 Views
He was drawing through the Choedan Kal... *NM* - 27/11/2009 01:09:23 AM 360 Views

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