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Re: I think it's the most simple possibility. dacole Send a noteboard - 09/11/2009 01:51:52 AM
You give her to much credit for seeing that the messanger means he has found her. She would be able to read the guys mind and know that as far as he knows she hasn't. This would be waaay more intelligent that we have seen the forsaken be during the entire novel. Leaving a servent in the room is not at all unheard of, and we haven't seen any evidence that I know of that compulsion weaves have to be "maintained" the simplest answer is that she is dead.


I think that Moridin nailed it on the head in his assessment: Moghedien got caught up in her schemes, like a spider stuck in it's web, whereas Graendal is smart enough to scheme, gain information but recognize a mess as soon as she saw it coming for her and strong enough to choose her battles.

I think Rand hit it pretty accurately, as well: he claimed that he figured out how to defeat a more cunning opponent, but I don't think he realized athat as soon as he was in Arad Doman, he was on her battleground. Hell, this is a man that accepts her being in the palace without even considering the possibility that she Compelled the guy, walked through a Gateway, and stopped maintaining her weave or had the distance attenuate her flows.

Even furthering the ridiculousness, this is a man who has yelled at his friends for trying to prevent him from causing catastrophes and abominations but leaves a servant in his room during an intimate conversation for so long that she could walk right up and collar him.

Moghedien is paranoid but scared; Graendal is paranoid, but she'll leave if need be because that is purposefully why she avoids the type of fortresses favored by the others. This wasn't even a surprise attack - a man that channeled enough saidin and saidar to crack the world in half isn't someone Graendal is unbalanced enough to stick around to talk to.
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Almost certainly dead - 02/11/2009 04:48:18 PM 1018 Views
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I think it's the most simple possibility. - 04/11/2009 10:39:02 PM 858 Views
Re: I think it's the most simple possibility. - 09/11/2009 01:51:52 AM 797 Views
That's just absurd - 04/11/2009 10:48:30 PM 938 Views
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Re: No, I'm making it more simple. - 09/11/2009 01:53:49 AM 850 Views
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RJ said... - 26/11/2009 06:51:26 PM 970 Views
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