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Re: Balefire. Kaldric Send a noteboard - 04/11/2009 05:30:12 PM
Firstly, Rand's assumption that the fading of the webs of Compulsion signalled her death are erroneous. Weaves such as Compulsion are generally set and remain regardless of whether the channeler dies. Indeed, the Warder Bond still has an effect on the mind of a bondmember who loses the other - it doesn't simply vanish.


But that was not a normal death. Balefire removes the target before that point, so his test was to see if the balefire removed the compulsion. If Rand had just burned the house with a gigantic ball of fire, killing Graendal inside, there is no doubt that the compulsion would have remained. With the balefire, there is no doubt at all that the person who wove the compulsion was killed. The only doubt is whether or not Graendal was actually the person who wove the compulsion.


Kaldric

P.S. The "NSSP" is implied.

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Graendal's fate? Ashaman Narishma - 02/11/2009 04:18:11 AM 2080 Views
Dead. Great Lord of Chaos - 02/11/2009 04:22:48 AM 1031 Views
Maybe... Ashaman Narishma - 02/11/2009 04:28:16 AM 1019 Views
I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. LlordNakcor - 02/11/2009 04:36:37 AM 1050 Views
Re: I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. Ashaman Narishma - 02/11/2009 04:40:30 AM 1043 Views
Re: I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. Grimbear - 02/11/2009 05:08:09 AM 948 Views
Why has she been removed from the list of suspects? beetnemesis - 02/11/2009 02:29:41 PM 939 Views
She is dead dacole - 09/11/2009 01:37:03 AM 887 Views
That's pretty terrible logic beetnemesis - 19/11/2009 05:58:57 AM 1061 Views
I disagree. Rand al'Thor - 02/11/2009 10:29:21 PM 898 Views
Agreed. *NM* Lord Haart - 19/11/2009 11:43:45 AM 449 Views
Could it have been Verin who killed Asmodean? Bookwyrm - 02/11/2009 05:20:37 AM 1450 Views
She is dead *spoilers* brett014 - 02/11/2009 05:44:21 AM 1039 Views
Re: She is dead *spoilers* Gaidal Craig - 03/11/2009 09:01:07 AM 915 Views
Re: She is dead *spoilers* dacole - 09/11/2009 01:38:56 AM 1031 Views
I thought so too, but KCF set me straight.. his response in a thread further down the board kavorka - 02/11/2009 05:56:40 PM 977 Views
I say dead. *NM* Gher - 02/11/2009 06:07:15 AM 472 Views
Dead. Seriana Sedai - 02/11/2009 06:46:10 AM 910 Views
Dead as Dumbledore. But why does it preclude her from being Asmo's killer? Master Radishes - 02/11/2009 07:04:08 AM 974 Views
Right. That info could easily be revealed through the POV of another. *NM* RandAllThor - 02/11/2009 02:15:31 PM 438 Views
It could but... Ashaman Narishma - 02/11/2009 03:14:23 PM 979 Views
Moridin would most likely know. RandAllThor - 02/11/2009 04:06:04 PM 891 Views
Well.... Etzel - 02/11/2009 08:52:52 AM 950 Views
*NM* BlackAdder - 18/11/2009 10:45:52 PM 412 Views
Alive until proven otherwise IMO *spoilers* Dragonsworn - 02/11/2009 03:47:51 PM 948 Views
That weave was very complex. Kronin al'Sulc - 02/11/2009 10:34:36 PM 874 Views
Actually, the one that Rand had Nynaeve study earlier was more complex. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/11/2009 05:11:07 PM 945 Views
But you can't reverse Compulsion by unraveling it, right? BlackAdder - 18/11/2009 10:48:08 PM 903 Views
Almost certainly dead Isaac - 02/11/2009 04:48:18 PM 1059 Views
Yeah. Compared to, say, Sammael's "death" beetnemesis - 02/11/2009 10:40:01 PM 960 Views
Not even almost. Graendal and Sammael now both go well with eggs. *NM* Marshall - 03/11/2009 01:51:15 AM 459 Views
Oh, I agree, but fiction, deus ex machina, etc Isaac - 04/11/2009 09:58:42 PM 885 Views
Graendal is dead. the evidence is pretty hard NaClH2O - 03/11/2009 08:00:27 PM 3220 Views
Well, unlike everyone else, Fred Gaidin - 04/11/2009 01:34:57 AM 878 Views
Alive. It's the simplest answer for me, especially considering that Rand knew she was more cunning RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/11/2009 05:03:38 PM 1078 Views
Re: Balefire. Kaldric - 04/11/2009 05:30:12 PM 906 Views
Not necessarily. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/11/2009 06:08:34 PM 864 Views
The thing is... Etzel - 04/11/2009 06:25:43 PM 943 Views
Here's the rub - she had no desire to come into contact with Rand. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/11/2009 10:30:05 PM 1130 Views
Re: Here's the rub - she had no desire to come into contact with Rand. dacole - 09/11/2009 01:48:30 AM 1078 Views
Hm. Possible. Kaldric - 04/11/2009 06:42:12 PM 1175 Views
I think it's the most simple possibility. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/11/2009 10:39:02 PM 893 Views
Re: I think it's the most simple possibility. dacole - 09/11/2009 01:51:52 AM 844 Views
That's just absurd Marshall - 04/11/2009 10:48:30 PM 972 Views
No, I'm making it more simple. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/11/2009 11:11:36 PM 917 Views
That thoery doesn't account for the undoing of the Compulsion Marshall - 04/11/2009 11:50:06 PM 925 Views
Yes, it does. Distance causes maintained weaves and Links to attenuate. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/11/2009 04:22:37 PM 982 Views
Yes, but Compulsion is almost never a maintained weave *NM* Marshall - 06/11/2009 07:19:24 PM 479 Views
But the real question in my mind... darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 08:28:31 PM 891 Views
Well Marshall - 06/12/2009 08:45:12 PM 1332 Views
Odds are she's dead darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:48:19 PM 782 Views
Re: No, I'm making it more simple. dacole - 09/11/2009 01:53:49 AM 886 Views
Amen! Praise the Great Lord of the Dark! **I agree with all points** Bookwyrm - 05/11/2009 07:21:52 AM 915 Views
Re: Alive. It's the simplest answer for me, especially considering that Rand knew she was BlackAdder - 18/11/2009 10:52:36 PM 887 Views
This sounds familiar. Fanatic-Templar - 09/11/2009 06:54:17 AM 844 Views
Yes... Etzel - 17/11/2009 12:12:04 PM 871 Views
Yeah, I was shocked initially. BlackAdder - 18/11/2009 10:58:15 PM 914 Views
Proof for reincarnation exists Lord Haart - 26/11/2009 06:38:17 PM 858 Views
RJ said... Etzel - 26/11/2009 06:51:26 PM 1028 Views
But Rand's was spread over a LARGE area *NM* Lord Haart - 27/11/2009 12:17:47 AM 391 Views
He was drawing through the Choedan Kal... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/11/2009 01:09:23 AM 382 Views
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