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Re: She is dead *spoilers* Gaidal Craig Send a noteboard - 03/11/2009 09:01:07 AM
Graendal is dead... the whole test Rand used to prove it was ingenious. She was known for her complex weaves of complusion which proves nearly conclusively that she was in the manor, and when she was bale-fired the complex weaves vanished from the guys brain... that is conclusive proof that she is dead, similar to the way Rand balefired Rahvin who killed Matt and Aviendha is Caemlyn.


Well, it's proof that whoever created the Compulsion - almost certainly Graendal - is dead, but there's a tiny amount of wriggling space there for her to survive.

A bigger question for me is, given how much power Rand drew through the Choeden Kal to balefire the whole palace, how far back was Graendal's thread burned from the pattern? Is Alsalam still alive? If she killed Asmodean (which I think is very likely) could it have burned back far enough that he's now alive again? This seems implausible but not impossible, though that would make a heck of a mess of the pattern.
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Graendal's fate? - 02/11/2009 04:18:11 AM 2104 Views
Dead. - 02/11/2009 04:22:48 AM 1056 Views
Maybe... - 02/11/2009 04:28:16 AM 1048 Views
I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 04:36:37 AM 1086 Views
Re: I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 04:40:30 AM 1074 Views
Re: I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 05:08:09 AM 975 Views
Why has she been removed from the list of suspects? - 02/11/2009 02:29:41 PM 964 Views
She is dead - 09/11/2009 01:37:03 AM 907 Views
That's pretty terrible logic - 19/11/2009 05:58:57 AM 1097 Views
I disagree. - 02/11/2009 10:29:21 PM 922 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:43:45 AM 472 Views
Could it have been Verin who killed Asmodean? - 02/11/2009 05:20:37 AM 1474 Views
She is dead *spoilers* - 02/11/2009 05:44:21 AM 1062 Views
Re: She is dead *spoilers* - 03/11/2009 09:01:07 AM 942 Views
Re: She is dead *spoilers* - 09/11/2009 01:38:56 AM 1057 Views
I say dead. *NM* - 02/11/2009 06:07:15 AM 484 Views
Dead. - 02/11/2009 06:46:10 AM 939 Views
Dead as Dumbledore. But why does it preclude her from being Asmo's killer? - 02/11/2009 07:04:08 AM 999 Views
Right. That info could easily be revealed through the POV of another. *NM* - 02/11/2009 02:15:31 PM 452 Views
It could but... - 02/11/2009 03:14:23 PM 1000 Views
Moridin would most likely know. - 02/11/2009 04:06:04 PM 914 Views
Well.... - 02/11/2009 08:52:52 AM 976 Views
*NM* - 18/11/2009 10:45:52 PM 422 Views
Alive until proven otherwise IMO *spoilers* - 02/11/2009 03:47:51 PM 976 Views
That weave was very complex. - 02/11/2009 10:34:36 PM 895 Views
Actually, the one that Rand had Nynaeve study earlier was more complex. - 04/11/2009 05:11:07 PM 967 Views
But you can't reverse Compulsion by unraveling it, right? - 18/11/2009 10:48:08 PM 919 Views
Almost certainly dead - 02/11/2009 04:48:18 PM 1085 Views
Yeah. Compared to, say, Sammael's "death" - 02/11/2009 10:40:01 PM 1001 Views
Not even almost. Graendal and Sammael now both go well with eggs. *NM* - 03/11/2009 01:51:15 AM 468 Views
Oh, I agree, but fiction, deus ex machina, etc - 04/11/2009 09:58:42 PM 909 Views
Graendal is dead. the evidence is pretty hard - 03/11/2009 08:00:27 PM 3238 Views
Well, unlike everyone else, - 04/11/2009 01:34:57 AM 897 Views
Alive. It's the simplest answer for me, especially considering that Rand knew she was more cunning - 04/11/2009 05:03:38 PM 1100 Views
Re: Balefire. - 04/11/2009 05:30:12 PM 927 Views
Not necessarily. - 04/11/2009 06:08:34 PM 888 Views
The thing is... - 04/11/2009 06:25:43 PM 972 Views
Here's the rub - she had no desire to come into contact with Rand. - 04/11/2009 10:30:05 PM 1153 Views
Hm. Possible. - 04/11/2009 06:42:12 PM 1199 Views
I think it's the most simple possibility. - 04/11/2009 10:39:02 PM 914 Views
Re: I think it's the most simple possibility. - 09/11/2009 01:51:52 AM 866 Views
That's just absurd - 04/11/2009 10:48:30 PM 998 Views
No, I'm making it more simple. - 04/11/2009 11:11:36 PM 943 Views
That thoery doesn't account for the undoing of the Compulsion - 04/11/2009 11:50:06 PM 943 Views
Yes, it does. Distance causes maintained weaves and Links to attenuate. - 05/11/2009 04:22:37 PM 1005 Views
Yes, but Compulsion is almost never a maintained weave *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:19:24 PM 489 Views
But the real question in my mind... - 02/12/2009 08:28:31 PM 916 Views
Well - 06/12/2009 08:45:12 PM 1351 Views
Odds are she's dead - 06/12/2009 08:48:19 PM 805 Views
Re: No, I'm making it more simple. - 09/11/2009 01:53:49 AM 911 Views
Amen! Praise the Great Lord of the Dark! **I agree with all points** - 05/11/2009 07:21:52 AM 935 Views
This sounds familiar. - 09/11/2009 06:54:17 AM 864 Views
Yes... - 17/11/2009 12:12:04 PM 891 Views
Yeah, I was shocked initially. - 18/11/2009 10:58:15 PM 934 Views
Proof for reincarnation exists - 26/11/2009 06:38:17 PM 875 Views
RJ said... - 26/11/2009 06:51:26 PM 1048 Views
But Rand's was spread over a LARGE area *NM* - 27/11/2009 12:17:47 AM 402 Views
He was drawing through the Choedan Kal... *NM* - 27/11/2009 01:09:23 AM 393 Views

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