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Re: Graendal's Fate (Alive or Dead?) Shishka Send a noteboard - 05/01/2010 07:15:41 PM
RJ states in several places that *objects* don't have a power to perform actions in themselves and that balefire erases the life thread of a person back in time so the action in that time never happened.


Yes, but that doesn't mean that objects don't have threads that can also (like human threads) be burned back in time. Datakim below provides a quote from BS that states that EVERYTHING has a thread.

We already knew that, anyway. In ACoS, when Moghedien balefired Nynaeve's boat, Lan said that suddenly Nynaeve went from being 50 paces ahead of him to being 50 paces behind him. The only way that could have happened is if Moggy's balefire burned the boat back in time, however long it took the boat to travel those 100 paces.

Given these two conditions, destruction of the angreal would have no more effect than had Rand balefired Graendal's hand (which she must have used to touch the emissary to effect the compulsion).


I don't see that we have nearly enough evidence to state that with certaintly, since we know for fact that objects are burned back in time. The question is, if an object is burned back in time, does it negate what the object did, or was used for, in that time? I still think the answer to that question is "yes".

Rise and fall, turn the Wheel,
'cause all life is
is really just a circle.

-BHT&tM
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Graendal's Fate (Alive or Dead?) Shishka - 05/01/2010 05:44:12 PM 2586 Views
Re: Graendal's Fate (Alive or Dead?) randfandom - 05/01/2010 06:46:19 PM 1331 Views
Re: Graendal's Fate (Alive or Dead?) Shishka - 05/01/2010 07:15:41 PM 1183 Views
Nynaeve's boat... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2010 07:23:57 PM 1154 Views
Balefire is REALLY confusing. Datakim - 05/01/2010 07:41:05 PM 1062 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 05/01/2010 07:52:04 PM 1000 Views
I'm somewhat surprised objects have threads. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2010 08:45:52 PM 4743 Views
Re: I'm somewhat surprised objects have threads. Shishka - 05/01/2010 09:23:06 PM 982 Views
Re: I'm somewhat surprised objects have threads. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2010 10:30:42 PM 1035 Views
Wasn't there a quote somewhere BlackAdder - 06/01/2010 02:05:32 AM 958 Views
Probably a bit of retconning there by Brandon Lord Haart - 06/01/2010 03:34:55 PM 936 Views
BS is definitely wrong here BlackAdder - 06/01/2010 02:01:23 AM 958 Views
Re: BS is definitely wrong here Lord Haart - 06/01/2010 03:36:06 PM 918 Views
There is another way... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2010 07:00:31 PM 1015 Views
Re: There is another way... Shishka - 05/01/2010 07:35:05 PM 1044 Views
Re: There is another way... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2010 11:05:26 PM 949 Views
Nope randfandom - 06/01/2010 04:36:56 AM 1023 Views
USe Occam's Razor yourself... fionwe1987 - 06/01/2010 05:53:22 AM 1151 Views
and why didn't she invert any of the weaves? darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 05:55:54 AM 962 Views
Exactly! *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/01/2010 05:27:52 PM 502 Views
Maybe you cannot invert compulsion? Datakim - 06/01/2010 06:56:35 PM 974 Views
so it's the one and only thing we've seen that can't be inverted? seems a little darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:31:09 PM 909 Views
Re: so it's the one and only thing we've seen that can't be inverted? Datakim - 07/01/2010 12:02:00 AM 859 Views
I am inclined to agree with Datakim here. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2010 02:04:42 AM 1165 Views
Why aren't inverted weaves standard practice? BlackAdder - 07/01/2010 01:24:09 AM 1007 Views
Balefire is so confusing Datakim - 05/01/2010 07:03:29 PM 1048 Views
Re: Balefire is so confusing Shishka - 05/01/2010 08:52:57 PM 1027 Views
She's dead as a bloody doornail. Or whatever that saying is... *NM* lilltempest - 05/01/2010 07:20:36 PM 506 Views
Clearly dead Etzel - 05/01/2010 07:29:11 PM 1188 Views
Re: Clearly dead Shishka - 05/01/2010 08:21:16 PM 1054 Views
Re: Clearly dead Datakim - 05/01/2010 08:41:15 PM 974 Views
I think... Etzel - 05/01/2010 09:05:48 PM 1009 Views
No way. Gher - 05/01/2010 07:31:12 PM 1074 Views
Re: No way. Shishka - 05/01/2010 08:31:54 PM 939 Views
Re: No way. Gher - 05/01/2010 10:16:03 PM 1009 Views
Graendal's as dead as BS/RJ makes her. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 06/01/2010 02:40:46 AM 480 Views
She's dead as dead gets. everynametaken - 06/01/2010 01:43:34 AM 911 Views
Dead is my bet Sidious - 06/01/2010 11:48:46 AM 919 Views
She's dead *NM* Simon - 06/01/2010 11:58:34 AM 479 Views
Dead. *NM* AgentOrange - 06/01/2010 03:58:19 PM 488 Views
I think she's alive. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/01/2010 06:12:50 PM 958 Views
Compulsion is rather useless isn't it? Syraelle - 06/01/2010 07:44:42 PM 1052 Views
It may take an exceptional Delver/Healer Gher - 06/01/2010 08:49:37 PM 1004 Views
perhaps, but still I have a hard time believing Graendal didn't invert the weaves! darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:06:49 PM 946 Views
Re: perhaps, but still I have a hard time believing Graendal didn't invert the weaves! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 03:42:17 PM 989 Views
What if.. Tweak - 06/01/2010 10:41:44 PM 907 Views
I'll roll my eyes, and snort if she's alive Wotmaniac Reborn - 08/01/2010 04:21:20 AM 906 Views
Well... Heiko - 10/01/2010 03:24:39 AM 1149 Views
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