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Re: No way. Gher Send a noteboard - 05/01/2010 10:16:03 PM
1) Objects don't have threads in the Pattern, so destroying the angreal doesn't undo anything, it just destroys the angreal.

This seems to be a bone of contention. See Datakim's post above, for evidence to the contrary.


Yeah, I've seen Sanderson's statement on that, but I think he got it wrong. RJ originally said objects don't have threads, and that's what I'm sticking with.

2) Why would Graendal ever take it off? It's a ring, she can wear it 24/10, and I would be very surprised if she didn't.

That's a good point. If it were a bulky statue or something, you could see her putting it down. But a ring, in a situation where she would presumably have been more cautious/alert than normal? It does seem unlikely.


And regardless of whether point #1 is correct or not, this seems the theory-breaker right here. I would be very disappointed if some strange circumstances had made Graendal leave her palace without her most prized possession, inadvertently tricking Rand into thinking he'd killed her.

Graendal is dead. I actually didn't get a huge letdown over her death. I can't really think of any other way for Rand to get rid of her. She was smarter than him, and she was never going to stand and fight him. He beat her.

I don't have a problem with Graendal's death in this manner, either. I was just trying to think of a plausible way she may still be alive. But, all the feedback I'm getting is making me think that my "plausible" way is not so "plausible" after all. :)


Alright, I can see where you're coming from, but still, I think the theories about Graendal's Compulsion dissipating are more likely than this, even if I do think they're all wrong.
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Graendal's Fate (Alive or Dead?) Shishka - 05/01/2010 05:44:12 PM 2697 Views
Re: Graendal's Fate (Alive or Dead?) randfandom - 05/01/2010 06:46:19 PM 1429 Views
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Balefire is REALLY confusing. Datakim - 05/01/2010 07:41:05 PM 1168 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 05/01/2010 07:52:04 PM 1087 Views
I'm somewhat surprised objects have threads. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2010 08:45:52 PM 4841 Views
Re: I'm somewhat surprised objects have threads. Shishka - 05/01/2010 09:23:06 PM 1079 Views
Re: I'm somewhat surprised objects have threads. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2010 10:30:42 PM 1137 Views
Wasn't there a quote somewhere BlackAdder - 06/01/2010 02:05:32 AM 1058 Views
Probably a bit of retconning there by Brandon Lord Haart - 06/01/2010 03:34:55 PM 1027 Views
BS is definitely wrong here BlackAdder - 06/01/2010 02:01:23 AM 1048 Views
Re: BS is definitely wrong here Lord Haart - 06/01/2010 03:36:06 PM 1016 Views
There is another way... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2010 07:00:31 PM 1103 Views
Re: There is another way... Shishka - 05/01/2010 07:35:05 PM 1159 Views
Re: There is another way... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2010 11:05:26 PM 1042 Views
Nope randfandom - 06/01/2010 04:36:56 AM 1141 Views
USe Occam's Razor yourself... fionwe1987 - 06/01/2010 05:53:22 AM 1239 Views
and why didn't she invert any of the weaves? darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 05:55:54 AM 1043 Views
Exactly! *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/01/2010 05:27:52 PM 558 Views
Maybe you cannot invert compulsion? Datakim - 06/01/2010 06:56:35 PM 1071 Views
so it's the one and only thing we've seen that can't be inverted? seems a little darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:31:09 PM 1006 Views
Re: so it's the one and only thing we've seen that can't be inverted? Datakim - 07/01/2010 12:02:00 AM 968 Views
I am inclined to agree with Datakim here. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2010 02:04:42 AM 1267 Views
Why aren't inverted weaves standard practice? BlackAdder - 07/01/2010 01:24:09 AM 1087 Views
Balefire is so confusing Datakim - 05/01/2010 07:03:29 PM 1140 Views
Re: Balefire is so confusing Shishka - 05/01/2010 08:52:57 PM 1139 Views
She's dead as a bloody doornail. Or whatever that saying is... *NM* lilltempest - 05/01/2010 07:20:36 PM 553 Views
Clearly dead Etzel - 05/01/2010 07:29:11 PM 1284 Views
Re: Clearly dead Shishka - 05/01/2010 08:21:16 PM 1157 Views
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Graendal's as dead as BS/RJ makes her. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 06/01/2010 02:40:46 AM 536 Views
She's dead as dead gets. everynametaken - 06/01/2010 01:43:34 AM 995 Views
Dead is my bet Sidious - 06/01/2010 11:48:46 AM 1009 Views
She's dead *NM* Simon - 06/01/2010 11:58:34 AM 546 Views
Dead. *NM* AgentOrange - 06/01/2010 03:58:19 PM 543 Views
I think she's alive. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/01/2010 06:12:50 PM 1065 Views
Compulsion is rather useless isn't it? Syraelle - 06/01/2010 07:44:42 PM 1139 Views
It may take an exceptional Delver/Healer Gher - 06/01/2010 08:49:37 PM 1116 Views
perhaps, but still I have a hard time believing Graendal didn't invert the weaves! darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:06:49 PM 1037 Views
Re: perhaps, but still I have a hard time believing Graendal didn't invert the weaves! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 03:42:17 PM 1081 Views
What if.. Tweak - 06/01/2010 10:41:44 PM 1008 Views
I'll roll my eyes, and snort if she's alive Wotmaniac Reborn - 08/01/2010 04:21:20 AM 1001 Views
Well... Heiko - 10/01/2010 03:24:39 AM 1240 Views
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