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Re: No way. Gher Send a noteboard - 05/01/2010 10:16:03 PM
1) Objects don't have threads in the Pattern, so destroying the angreal doesn't undo anything, it just destroys the angreal.

This seems to be a bone of contention. See Datakim's post above, for evidence to the contrary.


Yeah, I've seen Sanderson's statement on that, but I think he got it wrong. RJ originally said objects don't have threads, and that's what I'm sticking with.

2) Why would Graendal ever take it off? It's a ring, she can wear it 24/10, and I would be very surprised if she didn't.

That's a good point. If it were a bulky statue or something, you could see her putting it down. But a ring, in a situation where she would presumably have been more cautious/alert than normal? It does seem unlikely.


And regardless of whether point #1 is correct or not, this seems the theory-breaker right here. I would be very disappointed if some strange circumstances had made Graendal leave her palace without her most prized possession, inadvertently tricking Rand into thinking he'd killed her.

Graendal is dead. I actually didn't get a huge letdown over her death. I can't really think of any other way for Rand to get rid of her. She was smarter than him, and she was never going to stand and fight him. He beat her.

I don't have a problem with Graendal's death in this manner, either. I was just trying to think of a plausible way she may still be alive. But, all the feedback I'm getting is making me think that my "plausible" way is not so "plausible" after all. :)


Alright, I can see where you're coming from, but still, I think the theories about Graendal's Compulsion dissipating are more likely than this, even if I do think they're all wrong.
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Graendal's Fate (Alive or Dead?) Shishka - 05/01/2010 05:44:12 PM 2586 Views
Re: Graendal's Fate (Alive or Dead?) randfandom - 05/01/2010 06:46:19 PM 1331 Views
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Balefire is REALLY confusing. Datakim - 05/01/2010 07:41:05 PM 1062 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 05/01/2010 07:52:04 PM 1000 Views
I'm somewhat surprised objects have threads. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2010 08:45:52 PM 4743 Views
Re: I'm somewhat surprised objects have threads. Shishka - 05/01/2010 09:23:06 PM 982 Views
Re: I'm somewhat surprised objects have threads. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2010 10:30:42 PM 1035 Views
Wasn't there a quote somewhere BlackAdder - 06/01/2010 02:05:32 AM 958 Views
Probably a bit of retconning there by Brandon Lord Haart - 06/01/2010 03:34:55 PM 936 Views
BS is definitely wrong here BlackAdder - 06/01/2010 02:01:23 AM 958 Views
Re: BS is definitely wrong here Lord Haart - 06/01/2010 03:36:06 PM 918 Views
There is another way... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2010 07:00:31 PM 1015 Views
Re: There is another way... Shishka - 05/01/2010 07:35:05 PM 1044 Views
Re: There is another way... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2010 11:05:26 PM 949 Views
Nope randfandom - 06/01/2010 04:36:56 AM 1023 Views
USe Occam's Razor yourself... fionwe1987 - 06/01/2010 05:53:22 AM 1151 Views
and why didn't she invert any of the weaves? darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 05:55:54 AM 962 Views
Exactly! *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/01/2010 05:27:52 PM 502 Views
Maybe you cannot invert compulsion? Datakim - 06/01/2010 06:56:35 PM 974 Views
so it's the one and only thing we've seen that can't be inverted? seems a little darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:31:09 PM 909 Views
Re: so it's the one and only thing we've seen that can't be inverted? Datakim - 07/01/2010 12:02:00 AM 859 Views
I am inclined to agree with Datakim here. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2010 02:04:42 AM 1165 Views
Why aren't inverted weaves standard practice? BlackAdder - 07/01/2010 01:24:09 AM 1007 Views
Balefire is so confusing Datakim - 05/01/2010 07:03:29 PM 1048 Views
Re: Balefire is so confusing Shishka - 05/01/2010 08:52:57 PM 1027 Views
She's dead as a bloody doornail. Or whatever that saying is... *NM* lilltempest - 05/01/2010 07:20:36 PM 506 Views
Clearly dead Etzel - 05/01/2010 07:29:11 PM 1188 Views
Re: Clearly dead Shishka - 05/01/2010 08:21:16 PM 1054 Views
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Graendal's as dead as BS/RJ makes her. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 06/01/2010 02:40:46 AM 480 Views
She's dead as dead gets. everynametaken - 06/01/2010 01:43:34 AM 910 Views
Dead is my bet Sidious - 06/01/2010 11:48:46 AM 919 Views
She's dead *NM* Simon - 06/01/2010 11:58:34 AM 479 Views
Dead. *NM* AgentOrange - 06/01/2010 03:58:19 PM 488 Views
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Compulsion is rather useless isn't it? Syraelle - 06/01/2010 07:44:42 PM 1052 Views
It may take an exceptional Delver/Healer Gher - 06/01/2010 08:49:37 PM 1004 Views
perhaps, but still I have a hard time believing Graendal didn't invert the weaves! darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:06:49 PM 946 Views
Re: perhaps, but still I have a hard time believing Graendal didn't invert the weaves! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 03:42:17 PM 989 Views
What if.. Tweak - 06/01/2010 10:41:44 PM 907 Views
I'll roll my eyes, and snort if she's alive Wotmaniac Reborn - 08/01/2010 04:21:20 AM 906 Views
Well... Heiko - 10/01/2010 03:24:39 AM 1149 Views
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